Appolgy accepted. And I may have chosen the wrong words in my first post in this thread. If so I appologize myself. One thing that I thought about over the weekend. It’s been almost 10 years since Paula sent that letter. That may or may not reflect her current state of thinking. It may or may not reflect her current state of action.
With regards to Linda Lee, Tim Tackett (who is a nucleus board member) said that she and Shannon were “non-voting advisory” members. That being said the nucleus has turned over the trademark “Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do” to Shannon’s company “Concord Moon” with the understanding that Concord Moon supposedly can “protect it better”. There have been MANY rumours flying around since then. All I can do is “wait and see”.
To “rogue”:
First I’ve answered much of what you are saying with regards to Paula versus people like Burton Richardson in my responses to Apoweyn. But to rehash, Burton has made a name for himself in the martial arts world for writing articles, doing videos, ect. Paula has made a name for herself by being married to Dan Inosanto (and perhaps for writing controversial letters to the editor). That doesn’t mean that she isn’t skilled, but only those who know her personally can attest to that. Also I don’t recall Burton ever writing anything where he called anyone else a “fraud”. If so, please post a reference.
Oh, and as for people who think that “everyone else is wrong” so far YOU are one of the MAIN people I see at this forum with that attitude! For example, Ray posed a question about “styles” in JKD and said he wanted to here the “Jun Fan” side give there take. Then when people from the Jun Fan side did just that, you, Ray and others wished to give them grief because their views didn’t match up with “Dan the man”. Whatever! I’m more than happy to leave you with your own opinion of JKD and to keep mine for me thank you very much! And as for “jokes”, if you’re thinking of a career as a comedian, don’t give up your day job.
"Then when people from the Jun Fan side did just that, you, Ray and others wished to give them grief because their views didn’t match up with “Dan the man”. "
Funny but Ray and I were on the opposite sides for most of that argument. Sorry if my high regard for Dan has insulted you.
BTW, I thought what she said about Lamar was off. While I disagree with him on many things he’s almost always been friendly and even keeled.
“And as for “jokes”, if you’re thinking of a career as a comedian, don’t give up your day job.”
If I misread what you said in that thread then I appologize. (And sorry for the bad rhyming. Completely unintentional). Also I have no problem with you holding Dan in high regards. You know something? I actually think well of him myself. Honestly I think that he’s misunderstood, not only by people on the “other side of the fence” but also by some of his followers.
And if the “comedian” comment offended you, again sorry. My online comedy wouldn’t win me any awards.
Regards,
John M. Drake
Originally posted by rogue
[B]"Then when people from the Jun Fan side did just that, you, Ray and others wished to give them grief because their views didn’t match up with “Dan the man”. "
Funny but Ray and I were on the opposite sides for most of that argument. Sorry if my high regard for Dan has insulted you.
BTW, I thought what she said about Lamar was off. While I disagree with him on many things he’s almost always been friendly and even keeled.
“And as for “jokes”, if you’re thinking of a career as a comedian, don’t give up your day job.”
Oh heck John nothing offends me. Let’s bury the hatchet and attack apoweyn!
I sometimes post things to get a rise out of people, maybe start a debate, so don’t ever apologize for disagreeing with me. I apologize if I insulted you.
Here I was trying to stir up some actual conversation in a wise @ss sort of way. I did a real beauty over on the WC forum by just asking a question about sparring. Somehow MerryPrankster got sucked into that one.
Oh, and as for people who think that “everyone else is wrong” so far YOU are one of the MAIN people I see at this forum with that attitude! For example, Ray posed a question about “styles” in JKD and said he wanted to here the “Jun Fan” side give there take. Then when people from the Jun Fan side did just that, you, Ray and others wished to give them grief because their views didn’t match up with “Dan the man”. [/B]
Ok Drake,
Since you feel that I gripe with people from the Jun Fan side I’ll tell you what why don’t you give me your take on how you see it since you feel that I’m wrong…
I have been posting on this forum and others for the past six months. I have over the years been a recluse and kept from the internal and external verbal garbage of the JKD politics. I was certified by Sifu Lujan back in 1972 in JKD who studied under the names already mentioned. I have never been one to have something to prove for I have no insecurities regarding my qualifications. It amazes me how much is written over the internet regarding who said this and who said that and who has the authority of JKD. If Bruce was alive today, I think he would become ill just from reading many of the posts on the internet. JKD is in the practioner. Many claim to have the authority in words and yet have no tract history, let alone the qualification to speak on anyones behalf.
Anyone has a right to have an article published, if you can get it published. It is not an easy thing to do!! Try it sometime! There is no one to edit or approve what is being written in the net, however, try getting most of the bullsh*t that is being printed here through an editor is another thing. Good Luck!
The JKD masses has torn and disgraded and disgusted Si Gung Lee so much that I am sure he is turning in his grave. I thought the arts was to assist all involved in the true meaning of spirit, mind and body to be enlightened in the way and all involved should be brothers and sisters. What we have here is a disfunctional family!
I noticed in the many names mentioned above that there were quite a few names left out as qualified instructors during the period of the 60’s and 70’s, just to mention two: Tim Tackett and Bob Bremer, who I believe have more to offer than the majority of names already mentioned. This is just my opinion!
If we all spent as much time bettering JKD instead of belittling it, we might start to head in the right direction.
You’ve come to the fight after we’ve all hugged and made up! Seriously, what do you think that I think that you think is wrong? (If you can follow that sentence. LOL) With regards to the question of “what arts made up JKD from a Jun Fan perspective” I agree with Sean Madigan. JKD was made up primarily of Wing Chun, western boxing and fencing. I take this from a quote from Bruce Lee. Now, does that make your position “wrong”. Well, not really. I didn’t train with Bruce so I can’t say for certain what he did, I can just go by what he said he did. But what is interesting is that when I read through Kevin Seamen’s book Jun Fan Gung Fu: Seeking the path of Jeet Kune Do the techniques that I saw were basically taken from Wing Chun, fencing and boxing. Was there some kali or silat in that book that I missed? And Kevin Seamen is certified under Sifu Inosanto in Jun Fan Gung Fu correct? As I said before, I think the whole “concepts/original” debate has really been more about terminology and less about substance than many people think.
Regards,
John M. Drake
Originally posted by RAYNYSC
[B]
Ok Drake,
Since you feel that I gripe with people from the Jun Fan side I’ll tell you what why don’t you give me your take on how you see it since you feel that I’m wrong… [/B]
I totally agree with everything you’ve said here, especially the part about Bruce Lee turning over in his grave. The LAST thing that Bruce Lee wanted was people “fighting” over what is/isn’t JKD. And there are more faultlines than the usual “concepts vs original” stuff that people usually discuss. Some want to say that Bruce Lee “held back” after the Seattle period and everything that happened after that is “worthless”. Other people want to say that anything that Bruce didn’t do with his “last private student” Ted Wong is “bunk”. This includes things like chi-sao and trapping. They try to claim that JKD has no WC roots and that things that came from WC such as the “interception” concept really came from fencing. (This despite the fact that you see Ted Wong doing chi-sao with Bruce Lee in a JKD stance in the BL fighting methods books.) And of course the concepts/original arugment seems like it has no end. Bottom line is, who cares? Isn’t JKD supposed to be about streetfighting for self defense as opposed to infighting for (perceived) political gain? If you wish to explore WC deeper in your quest for JKD great! If you’re more interested in the “kickboxing” aspect, super! If you want to do what you think Bruce would have done if he were still alive and explore arts such as kali and silat, wonderful! As long as in the end you have better prepared yourself to survive a real fight if you had to get in one then that’s great!
Oh, one more thing. I totally agree with you on the difficulty of getting an article published! I recently have attempted to get my first computer article published. While the reviewers like the idea, the article got sent back with a boatload of wanted changes! Some were reasonable, others were nitpicky IMHO. Since I’m (hopefully) getting paid for this article I can’t just say “buzz off if you don’t like the way I name my variables” like I can when I post code on computer forums. LOL
Regards,
John M. Drake
Originally posted by Sensei Kunz
[B]I have been posting on this forum and others for the past six months. I have over the years been a recluse and kept from the internal and external verbal garbage of the JKD politics. I was certified by Sifu Lujan back in 1972 in JKD who studied under the names already mentioned. I have never been one to have something to prove for I have no insecurities regarding my qualifications. It amazes me how much is written over the internet regarding who said this and who said that and who has the authority of JKD. If Bruce was alive today, I think he would become ill just from reading many of the posts on the internet. JKD is in the practioner. Many claim to have the authority in words and yet have no tract history, let alone the qualification to speak on anyones behalf.
Anyone has a right to have an article published, if you can get it published. It is not an easy thing to do!! Try it sometime! There is no one to edit or approve what is being written in the net, however, try getting most of the bullsh*t that is being printed here through an editor is another thing. Good Luck!
The JKD masses has torn and disgraded and disgusted Si Gung Lee so much that I am sure he is turning in his grave. I thought the arts was to assist all involved in the true meaning of spirit, mind and body to be enlightened in the way and all involved should be brothers and sisters. What we have here is a disfunctional family!
I noticed in the many names mentioned above that there were quite a few names left out as qualified instructors during the period of the 60’s and 70’s, just to mention two: Tim Tackett and Bob Bremer, who I believe have more to offer than the majority of names already mentioned. This is just my opinion!
If we all spent as much time bettering JKD instead of belittling it, we might start to head in the right direction.
I have been asked to write another article for the monthly issue of Kung-Fu Magazine on the subject of: Fighting Measure, Interception, trapping to grapling. i would like to speak to you regarding same and have your name added as writer. You may contact me at 909-336-4494 after 10:00PM any night california time. Looking forward to speaking with you.
I have been asked to write another article for the monthly issue of Kung-Fu Magazine on the subject of: Fighting Measure, Interception, trapping to grapling. i would like to speak to you regarding same and have your name added as writer. You may contact me at 909-336-4494 after 10:00PM any night california time. Looking forward to speaking with you.
Your Servant and Friend
Sensei Kunz [/B]
Hello Sensei Kunz,
I’m not sure what I can add as I still consider myself more of a “student” of JKD than anything else, but I’d be happy to talk with you and discuss the topics. I’ll give you a call this weekend. Oh, is this going to be one article or three?
They want one article, but i do not think we can fit all three subjects in one artilce, so it may turn out to be three. What I am truly interested in is the book that will out do all other books in print. All the existing books seem to cover the same subjects with little details of the foundations and techniques of JKD. Just an opinion!
