Shaolin Qi Gong Questions

yen23
ask them how they are able to be kicked in the balls/nutsack and not be hurt?
and ask them to teach u too
and then tell me the secrets to that too
thanks

You do the exercises that will thin the external oblique aponeurosis.
This in turn will lead to an expanded external inguinal ring.
Then it’s a matter of retraction exercises much like qigongs.

I’m sure you can guess at what the exercises are to do the first that facilitates the second. But do you really want to go through with it? :stuck_out_tongue:

unfortunatly,i only saw this in video,and nobody in my school had try this before…

but,in the documentary i see with a “monk” doing this in underwear it looks like the other guy is not really kicking his friend,and may be is kicking a little bit behind the “balls”?
i really don’t know the techniqe of this,but i’m sure it’s nothing about qi gong…

and i ask you:

you think that this monk can control his chi,so the chi recovered his balls, protecting him from the kick?

i hope you understand the question,my english is not very correct

i saw a video…of this monk group goin to some government place and asked this political guy to kick the monk in the balls…and the guy was kicking him there..i highly doubt the political guy was told to kick behind the balls…
and as for u..u broke a metal bar like nothing…u bent a spear in 2 weeks…wat can be so hard bout being kicked in the balls trick??come on do it and learn it and teach me

and as for if i think the monks can really control their chi and wat not…i could care less what they can do…chi or no chi…i give them balls and mad PROPS for attempting those stunts or tricks…cuz i know eve though they might be tricks…that still practice it and practice a lot before they go out and perform it…i know they train a lot more hardcore then i do so i stil got respect for dem

and if u ask me if i giv u balls or props for breakint he metal bar and bending the spear..i giv u props and balls too =)
now go teach me the kicking the ball trick =)

I agree. If its a trick its a good one to know in a fight.

allways the same story…

you should read the beggining of the tread,i didn’t say that all this performances are easy,and i didn’t say i can do all the performances they do,i just ask why they call this qi gong?

because i learn qi gong before,and it was slow movements for have a better flowing of energy in the meridians,for stretch you tendons,for strengh it,but not for brake things in your head,or be able to receive kicks in the balls.

anyway,believe what you want…

It takes an element of belief to make it work for you.

i didnt say u know everything
i said since u learn two of the chi qongtricks so fast
try to learn this one really fast
so u can teach me too
because this is the only one i really want to learn
beside iron palm
but i rather have irons balls first so i can **** grls off and not worried bout gettin my balls kicked =D =D hahaha jk jk

ok so why they call this qi gong?
simple..because qi is energy/air or wutever..and qong is work…they are doing work with their energy/air..so they call it qi qong
that why it is called qi qong
=)

You studied chi gong, you practiced it untill it becomes second nature to you, and then don’t understand why physical manifestations of chi gong are called chi gong?

And, just so you know, most people do have a long learning curve for most tricks like that. But you were not new to chi gong, just to the tricks themselves. :slight_smile:

a koan

Why Shaolin is a circus ??
Answer this we must. Seek you koan zen, young padawan (kungan chan if we must do it in Mandarin).

Qigong

Hi everybody
Qigong is a term which represents a lot of things, not just the cultivation of life en energy.
When we say Qigong inside a Martial Art, we must adapt the term to that context. We are talking about martial qigong. Indeed, I believe that it is not the same to breack a brick using your mind and directing your wei Qi to the hand, compared with doing it using just brute force or even good technique.
Here is where it becomes Martial qigong.
I agree with Gene: you first try to do it, then, only then you can speack.
Regards
Horacio

I think there are probably a few of us on these boards who have practiced many varieties of qigongs. Some with positive results, some with negative and some with no results or anything tangible.

Doing qigongs is a practice where you need to tune into the practice, and yourself and yourself to the practice until eventually you find gongs that are harmonious with your being and contribute to your peace and well being.

Emphasizing physics tricks, in my opinion is not qigong, it is simply entertainment will little or no redeeming value or context to martial arts or even to the path of kungfu.

Emphasizing an attempt at making better ones’ energy levels, one’s attitude and outlook, ones physical health and physical improvement is where qigong is at. But I think that because qigong generally requires patience and time to get any viable results from, there are many, particularly impatient people who will always scoff at these practices. Oh well, tough titty for them, they are the ones who lose out because of their impatience ultimately. :stuck_out_tongue:

This interjection is over.
Cheerio!

I stand by the veracity of Iron Shirt. Learning just part of that form did improve my resilience to strikes perceptably. Now I don’t pretend it did so by manipulating a magical force but it is a very good exercise regimen for this purpose.

physics tricks

Emphasizing physics tricks, in my opinion is not qigong, it is simply entertainment will little or no redeeming value or context to martial arts or even to the path of kungfu.
I’d disagree with you here, KL. I think a basic understanding of physics is critical to martial arts, especially in CMA when it comes to na and shuai (but also important in basic strikes, of course). Leverage and breaking is important stuff. I know what you meant by that comment, but I’d also argue that a basic understanding of the ‘tricks’ is fundamental to being part of the jianghu - it’s a key to penetrating CMA culture.

I agree that understanding principles of physics in context and relation to the kinetics involved in human motion are critical to application of martial art with any efficacy.

I know, that you know, that I know that you know, however, that if one were to demonstrate gongs that were particularly healthful but didn’t involve bending some inanimate object, or breaking inanimate bjects over your head or any number of other demonstrations, then people would probably not be interested in the practice as a whole. :stuck_out_tongue:

ah well, call me dry and unengaging, but I am less interested in the fanciful and more interested in the practical even if it does take a couple of years to really achieve the practical.

Physics is only a western science there is no comparison to the east.

Ok, dude, you ever hear the phrase that “sometimes it is better to remain silent and be thought of as a fool instead of saying something and having it confirmed”.

Physics are universal. Applied physics are universal. The concepts of physics are not alien to the east. Geezuz kee rist! How the f@ck do you think they build airplanes? Roads? Buildings? well, pretty much everything.

yeesh

I know, that you know, that I know that you know…

I know, I know… :wink:

I think you have to engage all philosophies and sciences nowadays. To say

Physics is only a western science there is no comparison to the east.
is a foolish as to say the opposite. The whole notion of East and West is evaporating, especially with the web. The world is a friggin’ ball. It’s not flat. :eek: OK, seriously now, qigong good, physics good. It’s all good.

Hello,

Intersting topic!

Beware of lots of stuff in MA. If someone cannot explain the benefits simply and how to achieve them simply then you need to watch out.

Chi Kung is SIMPLE!

Minimum of 20 minutes per day is required IMO for the first few years (2-3). Depends on the individual. When people ask what do you think is a good set to start training??? I always recommend Yang Sheng “Jam Jong” AKA Tree Huggin!

Thru stillness one can activate the energy flow. Thru stillness one can begin to focus the awareness and connect the mind and body. Later, when you have plenty of energy, then you can do any set you want but the hardest thing is is the central theme of any Chi Kung training:

Proper posture, Relaxation (body & mind) & Deep soft silk like breathing!

Dont worry about other stuff. Try 20 minutes a day for 3 months and see how you feel! Let mother nature take its course!

What good does it do for you as a martial artist?

Without the ability for the body and mind to work together and cultivate the Chi there can be no real mind/body connection! Once you have it then you will also be more balanced, relaxed, sensative, alert, etc.. All attributes that relate to fighting.

Priority numero uno is:

Sink the Chi to the Dan Tien!

Peace,

Read a book, learn something

Hey Gene! Actually this has been going on in academic circles since the seventies. I’d turn your attention to two books: “The Tao of Physics” and “The Spinning Wu Li Masters” these two books look at the interrelationship between late relativistic physics / early quantum physics and traditional “eastern” metaphysics. Of course when one reads Aurelius and compares him directly to Laotze you see that the east/west metaphysical divide is not particularly reasonable anyway but that is another matter.

What it comes down to is that to suggest that talking about physics has no place in a discussion of martial arts because Physics - as we know it today - was initially codified in rennaissance and restoration Europe is the statement of an uneducated fool. :smiley: