Shaolin Jingang Bashi - influential

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This training routine, the Shaolin Ba Shi (8 postures) along with the Shaolin Dan Shi (single postures) is a foundational set in Qing dynasty era Shaolin Quan.

At some point during the 1800s, these Shaolin sets reached the Hebei area and became a major influence on not only the Ba Fan Men style, but also Xing Yi, Bagua Zhang, and Baji Quan, all styles that were very well known in Hebei at that time.
Many great past masters of these Hebei styles learned Shaolin Bashi in their youth.

(according to one Baji lineage, their Jingang Bashi can be traced back to “Shaolin inner-courtyard fist” (). A Shaolin monk taught the art to Shi Yushan who later became the head of Tianjin’s eleventh Guoshu Guan (national Martial Arts Association). one of Shi Yushan’s disciples was Tianjin’s Tian Jinzhong, who later studied with Baji Quan master Wu xiufeng. Tian Jinzhong merged the two arts together.)

Also, there is a historical connection to Ba Gua Zhang, as the Jingang Bashi was incorporated by Ba Fan Shan, and Ba Gua founder Dong Hai Chuan had studied Ba Fan Shan and Jingang Bashi in his youth from his elder cousin, who was a famous Ba Fan Shan master in Hebei.

Shaolin Jingang Bashi

Xiang Long - Subdue Dragon
Pu Hu - Beat Tiger
Fen Xin Zhang - Divide Heart Palm
Chuan CHui - Piercing Hammer
Gai Chui - Covering Hammer
Ye Ma Zhang - Wild Horse Palm
Peng Zhou Tui Shan - Hold Elbow Push Mountain
Dan Feng Zhang - Single Wind Palm

Over time, the movements were changed as they merged in with the local Hebei styles.

Video, here’s two videos of the hard to find Shaolin versions, first one from the famous Shi Degen lineage (of Zhu Tianxi today), and the second one from Liu Xian Rui:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DS5ISjT1XqU (Shaolin Jingang Bashi - Shi Degen lineage)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XO85ewT6Ik ( by Lin Xian Rui )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VB7n94_WT2s (Shaolin Dan Shi Single Pattern by Lin Xian Rui )

Observe how it changed within Baji lineages, like playing “telephone”, it appears Baji Quan mixed together the Ba Shi and Dan Shi material to create their own version of Ba Shi in the following videos:

Ma style Baji Quan:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGSS7sEzQVc (Baji Quan Ba Shi)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPu1L96_gnw rows 1-4 ((Tan Jitang)(Jin Gang Ba Shi)1-4 )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfrjzcMmZN8 rows 5-8 (continued).

Huo style Baji Quan:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwCq01tS_JA (14)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpUlT_bGZfU (58)

Tian style Baji Quan:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxlXhZQZ2Wk (Xiang Long - all by Zhou jingxuan)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6MU2rWbfSM (Fu Hu)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUdJUcT1ysg (Long na)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEsVzLjSfl0 (Cheng chui)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvd5p-55iM0 (Tan Ma Zhang)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ne7VwOGcYc (Pi Shan)

Qiang & Huo style Baji comparisons
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkJPWVzLFII ()
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiOlVbErTHU ()
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sJmyEnzlM4 ( )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhGRt-YT1Os ()
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBb5R81XSeQ ()

Also:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vv8WyjYXEI0 (Xingyi Quan’s version of Jingang Bashi, look carefully you’ll see the Shaolin Bashi inside it)

Looking for video of Ba Shan Fan style Jingang Bashi set!

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Thanks for posting those. I had seen some of them. Sme of those moves look like right out of Mantis.

Do you think this could be Lu Hong’s Ba Xia in the General Qi Quan Jing book?

“lu hong ba xia sui gang”

The Shaolin version Quan Jing Quan Fa Bei Yao has a difference of one character making it

“Lu Hong ba xia zhi gang”

Thus making more sense to me,

“The hard techniques of Lu Hong are hard (unyielding)”

I have always suspected that this all ties into Mantis’ ‘ba gang.’ But have never been able to make a clear connection, since I mostly have nothing but the word 8 to go on and the fact that some moves look like Mantis.

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[QUOTE=Tainan Mantis;978065]Thanks for posting those. I had seen some of them. Sme of those moves look like right out of Mantis.

Do you think this could be Lu Hong’s Ba Xia in the General Qi Quan Jing book?

“lu hong ba xia sui gang”

The Shaolin version Quan Jing Quan Fa Bei Yao has a difference of one character making it

“Lu Hong ba xia zhi gang”

Thus making more sense to me,

“The hard techniques of Lu Hong are hard (unyielding)”

I have always suspected that this all ties into Mantis’ ‘ba gang.’ But have never been able to make a clear connection, since I mostly have nothing but the word 8 to go on and the fact that some moves look like Mantis.[/QUOTE]

The reason that they look like Mantis is because the Shaolin Jingang Bashi is the training drills for most Shaolin material, and it was built from Taizu Chang Quan and Tongbi Quan (of which both are the “father and mother of Tanglang”).

A lot of the Jingang Bashi is also found in Yue Jia Duanda Chui (General Yue Fei’s Close strike hammers), which reached from Shaolin to the area in Shandong province where Tanglang eventually emerged from.

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[QUOTE=Tainan Mantis;978065]Thanks for posting those. I had seen some of them. Sme of those moves look like right out of Mantis.

Do you think this could be Lu Hong’s Ba Xia in the General Qi Quan Jing book?

“lu hong ba xia sui gang”

The Shaolin version Quan Jing Quan Fa Bei Yao has a difference of one character making it

“Lu Hong ba xia zhi gang”

Thus making more sense to me,

“The hard techniques of Lu Hong are hard (unyielding)”

I have always suspected that this all ties into Mantis’ ‘ba gang.’ But have never been able to make a clear connection, since I mostly have nothing but the word 8 to go on and the fact that some moves look like Mantis.[/QUOTE]

Hmm, also it could be about Ba Fan Shan, which was from Shandong province originally before it went to Hebei.
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