Well said!! There is some truth to your statements, but there is still an underlying manipulation involved. It presumes the MASTER has the knowledge and maturity to be fair and just in his passing on his SECRET knowledge. Unfortunately these individuals are extremely rare and I sense this type of individual would not use marketing and manipulation to attract followers or make money!
True knowedge is free for the asking. Payments are primarliy to cover expenses and no sincere student is turned away because they cannot cover the costs. Nor are extra Seminars required!! If Sin really cared to pass on his SECRET forms there are easier and chepaer manners to accomplish this!
This doesnt matter! It is clearly creating more cash rewards for the Master! In reality there is NO form one must learn inorder to understand a later form!
This is a rationalization used to enforce status postitions within an art!
This coming from a person saying SD is scientifically based. If I hit you upside the head with a bat it doesn’t mean it is CMA. It will most definitely hurt but, it isn’t kung fu.
Defending your art is one thing being blind to much of the hyprocrisy is another. You have already stated many of the falsehoods I heard in the system. Do some rersearch before saying the “all fighting comes from China” bit they throw around.
Having spent time with GMS I know him to be such a man. I feel he is sincere in what he teaches and if this is a manipulation of me then so be it as long as I am growing as a CMA as I feel I am i am happy after all . I have done what I want which is to learn and grow what ever the cost. HELL with gas 3.00 a gallon you have to make a little money just to go to the store. Bruce Lee charged 275.00 an hour remember. no one bashes him the price of something is what ever you feel it is worth. KC
I agree with you though, if you enjoy it and find value in that is what is important!
I am just making conversation and not intending to be making a value judgment on your decision to train in Shaolin-Do!
However, when i was a youngster i believed my “MASTER”:rolleyes: to be an honest and sincere man as well! As i grew up and matured i learned otherwise!
Sholin Do is not kempo! That should be obvious. Kempo doesn’t use low stances or Chinese weapons. Shaolin Do is CMA, of a particular (indoneisian) lineage.
You dont have to like it, but don’t tell me it ain’t CMA, and especially don’t tell me its kempo.
Enjoy yoursel,f that is good. I think GMT is a real good guy with good skills. I think he was swayed a certain way and has no control over his org. This is speaking from direct experience you don’t have. Remember it was Karate at one point, all unknown names aside.
Your enjoyment has nothing at all to do with the thread. Why wait 30+ years to teach a high level form. You can’t use the “they aren’t worthy/ready” defense because lower belts will be able to attend. That is what people are trying to point out. The fact that you (myself included at one point) don’t see that is what is bothering people.
Oh and no it could be Karate, JKD, or most likely just Baseball.
if this is a manipulation of me then so be it as long as I am growing as a CMA
The problem is you are NOT growing as a CMA!! You are learning something totally unto itself. I’ve seen clips of the SD Mantis form, and belive me it is not even remotely like Northern, or Southern Preying mantis in an way, let alone something CMA.
To be nice, it looked like a karate Kata with some “Hook” hands thrown in for good measure. My most honest opinion of all, no holds barred, is it looked like a Chung Moo Quan style form.
Then why learn anything at all? If a punch is a punch and a kick is a kick, why study any art because I think that even you can figure out how to punch and kick. But then again, if that new form teaches you of a way to generate power, speed, flexibility, etc., then perhaps it would be benificial to check it out.
To everyone else, to those of us (stupid as we all may be) that have been in SD for a long time, this is pretty exciting. For those that don’t believe in interal arts, thats fine. But there are quiet a few of us that spend a lot of time on Tai Chi, Hsing Ie and Pa Kua and think (dillussional as we are) that we are gaining a benifit from it. So if he is going to teach another internal set, I then I will be there. I’ll be sure to give a nice, unbiased report when I get it.
for 16 years I’ve heard of Liu Shing (aka Meteor Fist) as another internal style. GMS never taught it to anyone before. I’m curious to see what it looks like, to see what makes it internal vs. external, to see what principles distinguish it from Hsing I, Pa Kua and Tai Chi.
And I’m especially curious to compare it to other sources to see who else out there may have this (if anyone).
Could GMS be making it up? sure, like Scott Brown said. But to do that he would have had to reference it for at least 16 years (probably longer, right GT?) before deciding to create it and then teach it.
As for the animal forms (leopard) being taught as a precursor, it is common in SD to have to learn a set of material as training. The leopard’s techniques could be a door to the techniques of this form. In the past GMS and his brother Hsiang has refused to teach certain material because no one could do the underlying training necessary to learn the material.
So, what does this mean for me? I don’t know. . . . I’ll have to see the material, the principles, the theory and the application and make up my own mind. Just like I try to do for every form I’ve ever learned.
