Originally posted by MasterKiller
[B] Na…He gets props for fighting, but read the other thread he started. He talked a lot of shiznit about the SD people and figured it was going to be a cake-walk. Now, he’s being all humble about it because he got his nose busted.
But you’re right. Putting on gloves usually stops all the mouth-fu. [/B]
I’m having difficulty accessing the thread from Bullshido, but at least I’m glad that the SD peeps in Texas seemed to have represented themselves well (I too would like to see the clips). Whether or not you view SD as TCMA, most of the schools I have been around do fight often.
Willow, man I’m sorry that you had such a negative experience with Master Joe. I don’t know him or how he runs his schools
REd5, I agree with you and, with my teacher’s blessing, I plan to visit and cross hands with as many non-SD people as I can.
JP,
Basically, he read a brochure in which the SD school said one of their students was a great fighter. This guy went to challenge him, and initially the SD school said no. So, he talked a lot of trash. The SD school said OK, and he beat the first guy pretty easily, but some 4th degree BB opened up a can on him.
This guy has had 4 or 5 years of MA experience, but he only claims the 9 months of BJJ training to be of any worth, so it’s a pizzing contest now about how a 9-month student beat a 2nd degree BB, and how the 4th degree guy must have wrestled or taken grappling because he didn’t get owned on the ground.
Well, I just took a seminar on SD ground-fighting, but its not something that is trained regulary at any SD school I’ve been a part of. Who knows if this guy did some cross-training or not? Plus in some schools of SD you can get a 2nd degree in 5 years (something I’m not happy with, but it’s true) so the guys seemed to have equal experince as MA. Sounds like a good fight and the better fighters won.
Honestly with my limited experience in bjj and ground fighting, I wouldn’t want to be taken to the ground especially against a guy with any real training. Would I get tapped out by the same guy if he got me there? Maybe. Maybe not. It depends on me and him, right?
REd5, I agree with you and, with my teacher’s blessing, I plan to visit and cross hands with as many non-SD people as I can.
that’s the right idea. Of course it doesn’t have to be anything bu freindly. I’ve found over the last yeqar and a half while looking for a good school that a lot of places are more then interested in showing you what they got if you are polite and seem sincere.
Originally posted by Shaolinlueb
all for a good report online? :rolleyes:
Exactly my point.
It may technically take an afternoons worth of time but there’s no way on this earth I could get it done in less than a couple weeks. And THATS being optimistic.
Priorities dude.
hey all
im a KF student in dallas; i read the boards quite a bit but this is my first post
first, to those student in austin, we have a school there and so i travel to that area quite a bit and would like to come by and see
next. in think the first school was wrong if they were actually bragging about a fighter they had. i have have nothing but extreeme admiration for my sifu and would defend his image if need be, but i dont go around talking **** like “my sifu can beat up your sifu” its so childish
as for lineage tamporing, realy not cool. i am pround of where i come from and so should all students but if you want to look like you have some special lineage. go find a real sifu who has some.
daggers, i admire your ability to admit a mistake.
that does not mean that the challenger was an *******.
this paul should not have faught. if there is someone better than you- and there always is- do not accept the challenge. it shames your sifu. dont get me wrong, if you have any respect for your sifu you always defend him/her(to b politicly correct) always offer yourself to fight for them, but w/o approval you do nothing. one of the first things we learn at my school is humility.
i personaly encourage the chalenging between schools. i think it helps people with the same lineage to become closer and encourages KF fileal piety. i know the KFE considers themselves a family.
MS
o yeah
where was this guy talking all this ****??
what message boards??
this paul should not have faught. if there is someone better than you- and there always is- do not accept the challenge
I don’t agree with this. All of us who aren’t dilluded know that there are better people out there then us. Fighting gains us experience and a good martial artist, win or lose will walk away from a good fight having learned something. Losing does not necessarily equate to dishonor. the hononr in my opinion comes with meeting the challenge and accepting a win or a loss with maturity and grace.
Originally posted by JMantisSmurf
[B]hey all
if there is someone better than you- and there always is- do not accept the challenge. it shames your sifu.
i personaly encourage the chalenging between schools. i think it helps people with the same lineage to become closer and encourages KF fileal piety. i know the KFE considers themselves a family.
MS [/B]
How can both of these statements be true at the same time? If there is always someone that is better than you somewhere, then how can you fight in a challenge without risking shame to your sifu?
By saying you will never fight or accept challenges (even under rules or at a tournament style event - all kinds of ways to make this legal) renders you no longer a martial arts school. Sparring should be no big deal. And as you get older, your students do it for you.
Frankly, this guy Schaefer is demonstrative of much of what is wrong with CMA in America. I’m not saying what he is doing/teaching is good CMA, or even CMA, but I’ve seen more ‘authentic’ schools act the same way…
I dont see anything wrong morally or ethically…what happened. We are fighters. Thats what we do. It wasn’t a bloodbathe. Things seemed under-control and fair, so I dont see why this practice is unacceptable. If you are doing martial arts aerobics, then thats ok. However, if people want to at least touch hands with you, it shouldnt be shunned as a disgraceful act.
Originally posted by Losttrak
However, if people want to at least touch hands with you, it shouldnt be shunned as a disgraceful act.
You’re preaching to the choir on that one.
Again let me re-iterate
Gimme a freakin break!!:rolleyes:
It is obvious that there was no real respect given to the guys who went down there to spar(did you guys even READ that email letter???)
That seems to be Joes rap, in my opinion, he will smile in your face and make you THINK that everything is all cool and dandy,then he will,as others there will, turn around and be TWO FACED and talk smack,i mean the EMAIL to all his students on the mailing list shows this clearly. i guess he figured that the email would not get out to anyone other than his “Loyal” following. "OOPSEYDAISY:eek:
i suspect that he is right now reformatting his “Brochure” and editing out the Matt Southard is a great fighter and adding in some other BS about " how we here dont train fighters" we train in a ancient art and preserve the ways of shaolin and blah blah blah:rolleyes:
feeling peaceful again,,,TWS
read it, still hanging on to my opinion. Of course I’m not a disenchanted ex SD person either 
besides, who in the martial arts world isn’t two faced? Who here hasn’t been in a school, going to a school, talking to another artist, hearing one thing about other people and their arts while they are around, and then hearing something competely different later when they aren’t around?
besides, who in the martial arts world isn’t two faced? Who here hasn’t been in a school, going to a school, talking to another artist, hearing one thing about other people and their arts while they are around, and then hearing something competely different later when they aren’t around?
so do you think that this is accpetable behavior Red5? i mean you meet someone from another school, cross hands,either best them or they best you. you get in to this fight club comradery where you respect each others style or courage or whatever,smile in each others face,then they go off and send an EMAIL to ALL thier students on thier mailing list talking SMACK to you and telling everyone that it was all Beneath you anyway?
:rolleyes: comeon red5 open your eyes man.
PEACE,,,TWS
no, I’m not saying it’s acceptable. I am saying that while your singling these guys out for this behaviour, it isn’t any different anywhere else for the most part.
All I can see is the email he sent out with as much respect as anyone could give to a man who showed up and touched hands, period. did he send out another email saying the opposite to his students or “insiders”? I don’t know, and I’m certainly not going to assume so.
Actually, Willow Sword CAN single them out, because he’s been under Joe Schaefer at his school and has been backstabbed by said subject. It’s not really singling out if it involves a direct relation and he has direct experience in this type of situation.
Bah. I dont care what people say behind my back, because people always talk… especially after you school them(Cameras are always helpful. lol). Anyways, you cant ever control what people will spout off. If I wanted to touch hands, then I came for a reason. No matter what happens I still achieved my goal, right? If my goal was to make them look bad, or make them look better… then it gets a little risky. I guess one’s failure is determined by one’s own motivations. Oh… and I read the email. 
I am only stating my beef with it.
Anyone care to wager that this will be the biggest letdown on the planet when the video comes out?
Don’t expect “enter the dragon”, folks.