and enough with the dit da jow. its garbage! there are plenty of better anti inflammatories. Flex-all 454, Bio-Freeze, Ben Gay etc. work much better.
while dit da jow may have been the flex-all of days gone by, medical science has given us better products.
If someone mentions freeing up “blocked” chi, I’m going to phoenix eye punch you!
Funny, when I have a chi blockage, I use epsom salts and dan dan noodle and either the ching da pork or Ma Po Tofu from the nearest szechuan restaurant (honestly the very best I’ve had. Hole in the wall, and WONDERFUL)
fiber will help your chi flow regularly. blockage? try prune juice.
You can use a good old fashion rolling pin and some good jow. Be sure to roll all 3 plains of the shin. Also with this do some roundhouses on a heavy bag but use your shins, again turn your foot to thit all 3 plains. start soft, finish fast and powerful.
This is what I used, seemed to be safe.
P.S. Sorry if im repeating, didnt read all the posts.
AOF
we use a heavy, metal bar to roll up and down shins and also a bundle of chopsticks to beat with but not hard enouh to cause lumps. And we use GOOD OLD DIT DA JOW!!!
Agree with AOF
Ditto on what Arhat of Fury said. Hit the 3 planes on the bag, roll the shins, and RUB them out afterwords to get blood flowing. And dit da jow is not just an anti inflamatory (sp?). So if you can get a good Dit Da Jow, you can improve your recovery times a bit between sessions…oh and experience has found that if you do it ever other day VS. Every day, you will get better results as your body has some time to repair. Overall, conditioning works better if you do a little bit at a time very regularly, vs doing a LOT once or twice a week. Just my 2 golden taels.
Originally posted by ShaolinTiger00
[B]and enough with the dit da jow. its garbage! there are plenty of better anti inflammatories. Flex-all 454, Bio-Freeze, Ben Gay etc. work much better.
while dit da jow may have been the flex-all of days gone by, medical science has given us better products.
If someone mentions freeing up “blocked” chi, I’m going to phoenix eye punch you! [/B]
Don’t dismiss something because you are ignorant about it.
“Anti-inflammatory”. :rolleyes:
Don’t dismiss something because you are ignorant about it.
With 10 years in the chinese arts I’m qualified and happy to tell everyone that it is crap and should not be used.
Can anyone provide me with one single piece of evidence that this “magic wine” has any properties that make it better than anything you could buy at a pharmacy?
It is used as an anti-iflammatory and a poor one at that.
Idiots.
foolish people..
a few notable quotes..
FOLKS - THIS IS THE 90’S. A Ferrari is a heck of a lot better than that Model T of Granddad’s if you’re not talking about nostalgia and history
“Sifu, with all due respect, doesn’t that hurt??” He said, “Yeah, it hurts like hell!!” So I proceed to adjust his neck and head. After, he said to me, “That was very good, but I have something at home that works just as good. Come drive me home and I will share it with you.” Now here I am, I’m going to this Sifu’s house to be revealed a secret Chinese magic herbal preparation. How would you feel? So I drive him home, and we go upstairs into his apartment. “You wait here, I’ll be right back.” He goes into another room and returns. “Here, this is very good for head pain.” And lo and behold the magic herbal is … Tylenol. This is the 90’s, folks.
Whether you like it or not, today’s Ben Gay is ancient Tiger Balm.
Never forget about running,walking and weightlifting…
Natural and safe methods to promote bone mass too,where weightlifting is among the most effective with lots of resistance.
One can enable himself to feel no pain trough hard conditioning,in other words,notably damaged nerves.
I´m not putting down specific shin conditioning,just pointing out a few spots.
Vioxx.
Bloody f’in magic.
I have a question about this. I forgot my shin pads once and decided to just spar without them. I sparred this one guy who has iron shins. I ended up with a huge bruise centered a few inches above my right ankle right on the side of my shin bone.
When the bruise went away, there was this knot there and it hasn’t gone away. It’s been a couple of months since the bruise has been gone but the knot is still there.
Anybody familiar with such a thing?
Yes.
Massage it. You should have massaged it the minute you knew you were bruised, HARD, and iced it. Too late now, so massage it. And do it hard.
Quite frankly, it hurts like hell to massage a shin bruise properly. But it keeps you going instead of swollen and unable to walk! 
Bio Freeze was recommended to me by a sport’ medicine specialist (not sold over the counter but can purchase at similar doctor’s offices w/out perscription) and I swear by it.
shins
Euler,
I have a permanent divot in my left shin from the same experience. The bruise was so bad the bottom of my foot was black for over a week. That was a couple years ago and the dent is still there.
I agree with the general thread sentiment, and suggest you not train with anything hard/wooden at first. If you use the bottom of the heavy bag you’ll bruise less and be able to work at it more.
anyone have any thoughts on wrapping/taping the shins before conditioning? could that help or does it just immediately label you as a sad and pathetic weakling? 
-cyn
Dit dao Jow
don’t know about anti-inflammatory - but very good for removing bruises and toughening the skin. There are lots of different formulations so YMMV. SevenStar liked the Jow that I hooked him up with.
Of course nothing beats the variety and effectiveness of Western Meds as a whole. But natural herbs are great, in some cases more effective than the equivilent drugs. People in South America and Jamaica are using all kinds of plants that grow nearby, this is called Remedio Casero (“home remedy”) and there are all sorts of uses that have not been researched one bit by Western Medicine. They have all sorts of plants that they’ll rub on or boil and sip or take a steam bath in, for different ailments. One plant that appears in my Dit dao Jow is tobacco leaf, which is used down south for taking out bruises too. So it’s not just Chinese and Aryuvedic people that are using natural herbs. I’m not saying that 5-element medicine is scientific, I’m saying that lots of experimentation with natural herbs has led people to identify healing properties that aren’t always familiar to Western doctors or sports scientists or whatever, in all parts of the world.
Western Medical Snobs, you are.
fajing - it does not “toughen” skin. skin is an organ. maybe repeated banging your knuckles like a nut will make callouses but ther is no substance that makes the skin thicker or more resistant to abrasion.
Folk Remedies! Of course they “can” work. they are the base of medicine. But this isn’t 1600, and you don’t have to put a tobacco leaf on your bruise, when you can get a better product.
I’m just saying that there are some particular ailments for which a folk remedy is better or easier to take than the pharmeceutical stuff. For instance, my wife has found a Kidney Wellness tea from Mexico that has completely eliminated her symptoms of Gout. She never tried the prescription Gout medicine, but why bother when natural herbs do the trick?
At the same time, don’t get me wrong. Western Meds are a huge boon to people in third-world countries and overall far more important to them. They wouldn’t be nowhere in the Carribean without Metronidazole and other pharms, for fighting parasites and infections, diarreah etc.
I’ve heard that the poorest often can’t afford certain meds, so they’ll cure things any way they can. Got head lice? Wash your hair in Gasoline! etc.
regarding skin toughening - doesn’t exposure to sunlight make your skin leathery? Couldn’t a chemical do the same thing? I never used the Jow enough to speak to this, I just found it good for healing bruises more rapidly. BTW it smells bad, but not as bad as Ben Gay.
Exposure to the sun damages the skin and the basal cell structure, doesn’t thicken it – it looks more leathery, but it’s actually not tougher.
Really - well I’ll have to cancel my nude Iron Skin training I had planned for this summer in the Mojave Desert. And no need for that backyard swimming pool full of Dit Dao Jao I was going to tote alone behind me for hourly bathing. 
You’re right, those traditional training ideals are pure quackery.
(Goes back to pounding my nuts with a hammer)
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