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[QUOTE=BJJ-Blue;1079452]I’ll admit the suburbs schools are better, but I say it’s due primarily to parent participation.[/quote]

Yeah it had nothing at all to do with population density, student/teacher ratio, socioeconomic status…

And as I said before, despite the stated goal of “integration”, the children of the rich, white liberals were not forcibly integrated…

Because the rich kids could go to private schooling or just drive to the school of choice. Your assumption is self defeating. Socioeconomic status…

In many ways, I admit no. But you do have to pass the same Statewide test to graduate, and the Top 10% of graduates from ALL schools were guaranteed a slot in college.

Most of which go to the rich white kids, seeing as how you know, they make up most of that 10%…

This is America, so yes, they have the exact same opportunity as anyone else.

You’re naive as ****…forget equal outcome, we haven’t come close to equal opportunity.

Of course some people may have to work harder to achieve it

Which by definition isn’t really “exactly the same opportunity” now is it? Not that it needs to be exactly to same. But the deck is incredibly stacked…

So kids born in the hood have a mucher better ‘starting position’ than these guys, yet I work with alot more engineers from poorer countries than I do with people who grew up poor in America. That says alot about American entitlement mentality.

It says a lot about the lack of teachers forcing inner city classes crammed full, it says a lot about lack of textbooks in our classrooms, it says a lot about empty school libraries, lack of afterschool tutoring, lack of self esteem from the feeling of no way out, and yes to an extent…lack of parental involvement. But its so much more. You have a very narrow world view. You think you understand, but really you are rather clueless. You admit you never even finished college. Did you even start? What experience do you have to make you think you know what its like to try to claw your way out of a gutter? Not trying to be an ass, serious question. What makes you think you can comment on the struggles of another human being?

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[QUOTE=BJJ-Blue;1079454]Again, as I said in the post above, we ALL have the same opportunites.[/quote]

And yes, I know rich kids get it easier.

So no we all do not have the same opportunities. Thanks for clearing that up.

Though I was bussed into Junior High, my last two years of High School were at a school where my parents made under the median income of other parents. My parent scraped up money to get me a '73 Bug, while other kids were driving brand new IROCs, Saleen Mustings, stepside pick-ups, and some drove fully restored classic cars. It didn’t make me bitter, it didn’t make me despise rich people. It didn’t make me a socialist. It made me tell myself I would bust my butt to be able to buy those things FOR MYSELF. That’s why I say we all have the same opportunities. My father only wanted me and my brother to have more than he did, it’s part of the American dream. And he did. I have some nice toys at my age my father couldn’t affod to buy when he was my age. So when I see myslef achieve more than my parents, I know others can even if they start out ‘behind’ me.

So you really didn’t have it bad at all then. Thanks again for clearing that up. So what then makes you think you know about living and going to school in a ghetto and trying to succeed against THOSE odds, especially in a country that is against you because of the color of your skin. And don’t even try to say racism is dead…

There really is no excuse for a kid who is able-bodied, and with enough intelligence to graduate HS (which isn’t alot btw) to fail in this country.

See thats the catch isn’t it. Enough intelligence…How do you expect a kid to succeed when the failing schools are putting out graduates years behind the necessary academic levels to actually succeed in higher education?

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[QUOTE=SoCo KungFu;1079594]So no we all do not have the same opportunities. Thanks for clearing that up.[/QUOTE]

Your reading comprehension and logic are flawed. We all have the same opportunities. For example, anyone born in the US has the opportunity to become President of the United States, or a Senator, or a policeman, or a professor, etc. No laws bar this. But you appaerntly can’t fathom that even though we all have the same opportunites, I admit some will have to work harder for it.

The opportunity is the same. Period. Get it now?

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[QUOTE=SoCo KungFu;1079593]Yeah it had nothing at all to do with population density, student/teacher ratio, socioeconomic status…[/QUOTE]

I didn’t say they didn’t matter. I said parental participation was the PRIMARY reason, not the ONLY reason.

[QUOTE=SoCo KungFu;1079593]Because the rich kids could go to private schooling or just drive to the school of choice. Your assumption is self defeating. Socioeconomic status…[/QUOTE]

True. But the laws were not even written forcing them to go in the first place. That’s hypocracy. And for someone who is whining about fairness, I’m surprised you don’t agree with me here. Those making the laws saw to it their kids weren’t affected by the very policies they said were good policies for others.

[QUOTE=SoCo KungFu;1079593]Most of which go to the rich white kids, seeing as how you know, they make up most of that 10%…[/QUOTE]

FYI, once again it’s the liberals bringing race into it.

But it appears you don’t understand how the program works. It’s not the top 10% out of the State. It’s the top 10% from each individual school. So any school that has a huge proportion of minorities will have alot of minorities in it’s Top 10%. Get it now?

[QUOTE=SoCo KungFu;1079593]You’re naive as ****…forget equal outcome, we haven’t come close to equal opportunity.
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Yes we do. And unless you can show me, for example, laws barring kids from the inner city from being professors, or laws prventing children of poor parents from becoming CEOs, etc, etc, you’re assertion on this is dead wrong.

[QUOTE=SoCo KungFu;1079593]Which by definition isn’t really “exactly the same opportunity” now is it? Not that it needs to be exactly to same. But the deck is incredibly stacked…[/QUOTE]

You’re hung up on this. Look, we all have the same opportunity, like it or not.

Here is an example. Say you have two teams getting ready to play a basketball game, and I’m on one of the teams. Now I’m 5 ft 7, and lets say every other player in the game is over 6 ft tall. I have the same opportunity to be the leading scorer in that game as any other player. Now I may be at a disadvantage, but I still have the opportunity. Get it?

[QUOTE=SoCo KungFu;1079593]It says a lot about the lack of teachers forcing inner city classes crammed full, it says a lot about lack of textbooks in our classrooms, it says a lot about empty school libraries, lack of afterschool tutoring, lack of self esteem from the feeling of no way out, and yes to an extent…lack of parental involvement. But its so much more. You have a very narrow world view. You think you understand, but really you are rather clueless. You admit you never even finished college. Did you even start? What experience do you have to make you think you know what its like to try to claw your way out of a gutter? Not trying to be an ass, serious question. What makes you think you can comment on the struggles of another human being?[/QUOTE]

Well first off they have a teacher problem because many teachers refuse to teach there. I’d be hesitant to teach at a school where the first thing I saw when I walked in was a metal detector.

And I don’t have a narrow view, I have a realistic view. We all have the sam opportunities, anyone who can;t see that is the one with a narrow view. Not me.

As to experience clawing your way up, I’ve been at or near the bottom in something and did quite well. I sarted MMA/BJJ at 31, I had smoked cigarettes for over 10 years prior to that, and I only weighed about 135 pounds. The average age there was at least 5 years younger than me, and the day I started I was the least experienced there. I busted my butt rolling/sparring with guys over 10 years younger than me at times, with guys 70+ pounds more than me, and with guys with years more experience than me. I didn’t quit. I didn’t say it was unfair I had many disadvantages. I busted my butt. And you know what? I got respect. When a professional fighter in his early 20s is sparring with ‘the old, white guy’ (yes, I was called that ;)), and I wouldn’t quit, I EARNED theri respect. They didn’t look down on me for being older, they didn’t look down on me for being one of the smaller guys there, they helped me get better, and they congratulated me when I earned my blue belt, they congratulated me when I won a tournament (where I entered the adult division because it was a bigger challenge, not the senior division). Hard work pays off, and it also makes the guy who did the hard work proud of himself. And again, it earns that guy respect from others who know he worked hard for it.

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[QUOTE=SoCo KungFu;1079594]See thats the catch isn’t it. Enough intelligence…How do you expect a kid to succeed when the failing schools are putting out graduates years behind the necessary academic levels to actually succeed in higher education?[/QUOTE]

Once again you are wrong, at least in Texas. We have a standardized test (I can’t remember it’s name, its been a long time), the ALL seniors must pass to graduate even though those kids passed the required classes. So the schools have to teach kids at least up to that level or none of their kids would be passing the test. And we also have laws forcing schools who do not meet academic requirements to be closed. We actually have one here, Johnston High. It’s well overdue to be closed, but every year it invariably comes up it’s failed yet again, the parents actually protest to keep it open!!!

And in the other parts of your previous posts, you keep bringing up racism. You really have a jaded view, you apparently think most people are racists (a common trait among radical leftists btw). Let me ask you this, do you think Reggie White was a racist? I’m curious on this one.

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equal opportunity under law… but not in real life… we all know it… most of us see it one way or another… as a victim, a perpetrator, gawker… its obvious and its clear… all politics aside…

ofcourse when you get into the complexities of corporate law that whole equality thing goes right out the window… but thats another topic…

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Again Syn, I’m not being naive and arguing we are all starting out at the same starting gate. We aren’t. But every last one of us has the opportunity to win the race.

Look at John Schnatter. The guy wasn’t born rich, nor poor either. But he SACRIFICED his most loved possession, his 1971 Camaro Z-28 to start a business. And that business is now the 3rd biggest pizza chain in the US. Now alot of guys have had richer parents and tried to start businesses, and yet they didn’t achieve more than Mr Schnatter. He was far from starting off at the ‘front of the pack’, but still he finished in 1st place (the other 2 chains were around before his was). We should emulate success, not punish it. People should admire people like that guy, not complain that people like that won “Life’s Lottery”.

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[SIZE=“6”]Anti-Abortion Georgia Lawmaker Proposes Law That Would Criminalize Miscarriages [/SIZE]

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[QUOTE=Syn7;1079738]equal opportunity under law… but not in real life… we all know it… most of us see it one way or another… as a victim, a perpetrator, gawker… its obvious and its clear… all politics aside…

ofcourse when you get into the complexities of corporate law that whole equality thing goes right out the window… but thats another topic…[/QUOTE]

You can whine all you want to - people don’t want illiterates, thieves, ebonics speaking lazy-bots and other kinds of rip-off artist in their company.

I guess if people really were equal it might be different, but since they are not but like to say so then what else can a company do?

There is no real way in any grown up mind that a illiterate with a entirely criminal life is equal to a literate with professional skills. They are not equal at all. That is just a lie.

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[QUOTE=curenado;1079814]You can whine all you want to - people don’t want illiterates, thieves, ebonics speaking lazy-bots and other kinds of rip-off artist in their company.

I guess if people really were equal it might be different, but since they are not but like to say so then what else can a company do?

There is no real way in any grown up mind that a illiterate with a entirely criminal life is equal to a literate with professional skills. They are not equal at all. That is just a lie.[/QUOTE]

Thank you. Very well said.

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[QUOTE=curenado;1079814]You can whine all you want to - people don’t want illiterates, thieves, ebonics speaking lazy-bots and other kinds of rip-off artist in their company.

I guess if people really were equal it might be different, but since they are not but like to say so then what else can a company do?

There is no real way in any grown up mind that a illiterate with a entirely criminal life is equal to a literate with professional skills. They are not equal at all. That is just a lie.[/QUOTE]

so what? if you reside in the lowest bracket you are a lazy ebonics speaking illiterate lying theif? come on now… you know d@mn well that there are a ton of good people held down by prejudice… white collar crime is all clean nice and happy, all good… but the dirty proletariat is just cramping your style huh… nice… stealing 40 million and doing lines in a huge bathroom is somehow more acceptable than a guy who jacked somebody to hit the pipe? you shouldnt classify people like that… where they live, who they are related to etc shouldnt be a tag that they cant just shake off by being good people… but they are treated like the ones who arent…

im not advocating for theives… im advocating for people that are written off as theives because of how they look, where they live, what color their skin is etc etc…

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[SIZE=“4”]Nebraska Resurrects “Justifiable Homicide” Abortion Bill[/SIZE]

http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/02/nebraska-justifiable-homicide-abortion-bill

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[QUOTE=Syn7;1079964]so what? if you reside in the lowest bracket you are a lazy ebonics speaking illiterate lying theif? come on now… you know d@mn well that there are a ton of good people held down by prejudice… white collar crime is all clean nice and happy, all good… but the dirty proletariat is just cramping your style huh… nice… stealing 40 million and doing lines in a huge bathroom is somehow more acceptable than a guy who jacked somebody to hit the pipe? you shouldnt classify people like that… where they live, who they are related to etc shouldnt be a tag that they cant just shake off by being good people… but they are treated like the ones who arent…

im not advocating for theives… im advocating for people that are written off as theives because of how they look, where they live, what color their skin is etc etc…[/QUOTE]

He didn’t say any of that. He didn’t even mention race. Once again, when someone advocates personal responsibility and making good choices as a key to success, he is called/inferred a racist. :rolleyes:

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<<He didn’t say any of that. He didn’t even mention race. Once again, when someone advocates personal responsibility and making good choices as a key to success, he is called/inferred a racist. >>

No, I didn’t - and I wasn’t born with a silver spoon.

My mom’s brothers and sisters grew up almost in the street. Because of the times then, they ALL became home owners and such eventually.

But I know it is even harder now with the decent jobs so competative - I do see that for sure.
But when one area is declining, there is usually another expanding. Let’s hope that it will be like that this time around too - but I’d still be planting more potatos…

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Racist ‘Pro-Life’ Billboard

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2Faz2tUKQ4

this one is brutal… to say that the most dangerous place for a baby is in a black womans womb… thats going too far… you see the slippery slope… we tolerate the pro lifers because we feel they have the right to dissent… fair enough… but every inch you give, these people take a mile… if they had their way we would be jailing people left and right…

being against contraception and against abortion is dumb… people are gonna have sex, stop trying to force them not to… what happens between me and my woman is between me and her and NOBODY ELSE… if we choose to terminate a pregnancy thats our choice, her choice… and i will defend these rights to the death… litterally…

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[QUOTE=Syn7;1080308]this one is brutal… to say that the most dangerous place for a baby is in a black womans womb… thats going too far…[/QUOTE]

So now speaking the truth is going too far? Are you really saying that, because this billboard was 100% true. Nearly 60% of all African-American pregnancies in NYC end in an abortion. 60%!!!

So tell us, what kills more African Americans children than this does? See, they were right.

And look at it this way: the liberal Democrats have done something even the Ku Klux Klan couldn’t do. I bet the Klan loves seeing those numbers. They couldn’t kill 60% of black children. They just laid back and let the liberal Democrats do it for them. So now we know the truth, if you want defenseless black children killed by the millions, just vote Democrat.