[QUOTE=Syn7;1079369]if all these schools are just as good as the next, then why was “bussing” such a failure???[/QUOTE]
Mainly two reasons:
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When you forcibly put groups of people together from very different demographics, you will have problems. I saw ALOT of fights over race, it was actually alot like these prison documentary shows, kids separated themselves by race and and location (the kids bussed from North Austin stuck together, the kids bussed from South Austin stick together, and the Eastside kids stuck together. One of the primary issues bussing was supposed to fix, integration, only got WORSE.
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Upwardly mobile familes who had worked hard to leave the bad neighborhoods were now having their kids FORCIBLY sent to schools in the very neighborhoods they had worked their butts off to get away from!
[QUOTE=Syn7;1079369]do you really believe an inner city ghetto school, with like one token white student, is as good as the schools in the suburbs??? on average??? please… thats just rediculous… [/QUOTE]
First off, it wasnt a “token white kid” that was bussed in. At the school I was bussed into the bussed in kids were around 30%-40% of the students IIRC. Second, I’ll admit the suburbs schools are better, but I say it’s due primarily to parent participation. We have an Eastside HS (Johnston) that is always on the verge of being closed by the State over poor performance. Everytime it looks like they are going to close it, they parents of kids who go there always protest, usually it’s all 5 of them. But when Austin considered closing higher performing schools to cut a budget gap, you had hundreds and hundreds of parents protesting. IMO, parents are the biggest factor, and like it or not, parents from the bad parts of town just do not actively participate in school issues like parents from better parts of town.
[QUOTE=Syn7;1079369]you say you were shipped in… from where??? you were white middle class shipped into the hood??? and you hated it why??? and you felt all the academic standards were the same at all the public schools you attended??? [/QUOTE]
I was shipped from South Austin, the Junior High I was bussed to was on the East Side of town. We also had kids bussed from North Austin as well.
I disliked it for many reasons. First, I had to wake up about an hour earlier because of the long bus ride, and I’m not a morning person. Second, I don’t like seeing the evils of racism on a daily basis, and I did over there. I never encountered near that amount of racial strife in schools that were non-bussing schools. The academic standards were the same as the ‘better’ schools, that part was actually ok. Of course the academic performance was alot worse. We actually had 2 Eastside kids who drove to school! And again, this was JUNIOR HIGH! And yes, those guys were old enough to drive, 16 in Texas. And though they only came to goof off in class, show off their cars, and hit on the 13 year old girls, they were not thrown out of school despite all this.
And as I said before, despite the stated goal of “integration”, the children of the rich, white liberals were not forcibly integrated…
[QUOTE=Syn7;1079369]all liberal/conservative smearing aside… do you feel you would get as good an education at the inner city school that you would have gotten at a school closer to home??? and aside from educational standards, do you feel the conditions in and around everything to do with the inner city school was just as good as its suburban counterpart???[/QUOTE]
In many ways, I admit no. But you do have to pass the same Statewide test to graduate, and the Top 10% of graduates from ALL schools were guaranteed a slot in college.
[QUOTE=Syn7;1079369]all laws and rules aside… i dont care what its supposed to be, i care what it is… so dont quote the rules… you really feel that each has the same opportunities???
i guess the test results are just cause poor kids are lazy like their welfare food stamp loving parents huh…[/QUOTE]
This is America, so yes, they have the exact same opportunity as anyone else. Of course some people may have to work harder to achieve it (life isn’t fair) than others. I actually admire the kids who do come from a poorer family that become very successful more than rich kids who do it. In my industry, we have ALOT of people from poor countries that come here to finish their higher education (if need be) and to work and to become American citizens. They actually start out BEHIND poor American kids because these people aren’t raised speaking English and they have to acclimate to an entirely different country. So kids born in the hood have a mucher better ‘starting position’ than these guys, yet I work with alot more engineers from poorer countries than I do with people who grew up poor in America. That says alot about American entitlement mentality.
