Remember the Tien Dei Yan?

Remember the Tien Dei Yan?

There lie a big secret of this wrong turn.


Originally, I am thinking to post a series of issues on how I see Wing Chun Kuen Localized evolve, and how Tien Dei Yan was Localized evolved.

But then,

I got personal attack by some guy due to his own uncontrolled emotional bias and prejudice against me which lead him to not be able to comprehend what is written.

I here asked those persons who dont like to read what I wrote to NOT READ and ignore my post. This is not for them.

So, those who can benifit or entertain by my knowledge can share and discuss the topic.

Dei or earth related to Grounding or earthing which I prefer to use earthing here to seperate the concept with the popular term Grounding or Rooting.

Dei has a meaning. and today’s grounding or rooting does not edequately describe Dei. and Wing Chun from Crane and Snake define Dei different from others.

i never believe in the explaination of heaven, human, earth as in diamention…etc.

I have further tested different popular concept with people who do grappling or take down to see if certain things are guarentee will not work. and , yes, certain things are indeed a kiss of death.

lets discuss about grounding, what is grounding means to you?

Care to share?

What is this to you?

Hendrick,
Maybe we could further this discussion I train Heaven, human and earth. My experience has been that the employment of this concept has be very effective against very season martial artist. Maybe you and I are not talking about the same thing? Maybe your experiences with this concept does not allow you to apply it as effective as it could be. So to begin the dialog please let us know what your mean when you say Heaven, Human,and earth.

Re: What is this to you?

Originally posted by Chango
[B]Hendrick,
Maybe we could further this discussion I train Heaven, human and earth.

My experience has been that the employment of this concept has be very effective against very season martial artist. Maybe you and I are not talking about the same thing?

Maybe your experiences with this concept does not allow you to apply it as effective as it could be.

So to begin the dialog please let us know what your mean when you say Heaven, Human,and earth. [/B]

Interesting,
Since you said, Maybe your experiences with this concept does not allow you to apply it as effective as it could be.

why dont you start to share with us what is your " My experience has been that the employment of this concept has be very effective against very season martial artist." means?

As for very season martial artist, who are they? do you mean you match them in such as similar to Kyokushin kai, K1 rule and sign the ancident and or death waver situation or you mean daily playing and have fun condition where just having fun?

Didnt the discussion has already started?
What is grounding or rooting means for you?

Re: Remember the Tien Dei Yan? heaven earth human

Originally posted by Hendrik
I here asked those persons who dont like to read what I wrote to NOT READ and ignore my post. This is not for them.
I ask that others honor Hendrik’s request. I ,for one , am interested in hearing what he has to say on this topic.

Peace

Matrix>I ask that others honor Hendrik’s request. I ,for one , am interested in hearing what he has to say on this topic.

But he hasn’t said anything about it, rather choosing to constantly ask questions.

Hendrik reminds me of a Court Jester or the local fool that no-one can take seriously.

Regards

CD

Heaven, Human, and Earth are based from IChing or the book of Change. So, this concept is of Chinese origin. not Buddhist.

Heaven, Huaman, and Earth is a symbol/concept where it can be used in fortune telling to stratergy…within person and environmental view… many many self-interpretation and usage. However, there is one concept, The concept of Heaven and Human is an unity is which means in western term "BE ONE with Nature " oftern brought up when dealing with ART.

In chinese martial art such as art from Fujian, Heaven, Human, and earth can means upper body, middle, and lower body technics, or potential/power, movementum, and shape…ect

And, the Localization Evolution of such as japanese Karate from the White CRane of Fujian carry the Upper, middle, lower body technics or Heaven, human, earth DNA.

Female martial art of China before 1850 has a big part of earth or lower body technics. Why? because, Chinese Female in the Ming Dynasty and big part of Qing era are subjected to a in-human custom of bound feet or footbiding. the famed writer and scholar Zhu Xi (1130-1200 A.D.). was aided in the spread of footbinding.

http://academic.brooklyn.cuny.edu/core9/phalsall/studpages/vento.html

With the “small and narrow” feet limitation, female of ancient china were subject to easily to be tip off balance and fell relative to nature unbond leg. Thus, there are Ground style chinese martial arts were indeed develop due to the consequence of the footbinding. One still can see these type of style in Fujian.

The characteristics of Wing Chun is Short bridge Narrow stance. However,
In general, Wing Chun, after the 70’s Bruce Lee or the world kicking heat, has taken a turn to Ascent to Sky. were kick such as side kick, knee raising. wider stance… etc were added to a localize evolution. …

The question then raise is while this Localization Evolution of Wing Chun co evolve with the world’s martial art, what has left or ignore? what has grown and manifest? is this manifestation a balance one supporting the Short Bridge Narrow Stance? or it has change the direction subtlely left un notice.

In additional, there are Localization Evolution of the Theory of Wing Chun Kuen, or presentation of the so-called older or oldest theory of Wing Chun Kuen presented today. And again, the question is, does these theory support the short brige Narrow stance of the Wing Chun Kuen? how is it adress the bondfeet facts which some obvious in the 1850 but left un notice today because high feel shoe is an option where one can take off any instant one would like? or it has taken anther path?

((you want to make an experiment? go to any Wing Chun Kuen Article or books, replace the shoe of the female practioners with a pair of 3 inch spike high heel, http://www.sexyshoes.com/p9887.html
then ask yourself, does this stance balance? does it make sense to stand this way? or buy a pair of the spike high heel doing SLT, Doing CK, Doing BJ, Doing Chi SAu…(just dont broke your wife’s :smiley: or let your wife saw you doing it :D) try it and see what do you find out? ) )

As a personal experience, for a while, I often tested the concept of BROkEN ARROW with friends, range from beginer to skill martial artists or Grandmaster. The result is always “why do you like to open up this way to being subject to take down”.

What my experiment about has two fold, 1, to prove BROKEN ARROW is a kiss of DEATH in a Narrow Stance Short bridge art unconditionally. 2, while at take down and fall from different senerio, what happen? what is the nature tell me? ---- Since, remember, the female of 1850 and beyond cannot avoid to fall… how are they in the past “BE ONE with the Nature?”

You watch Angelina’s movie “taking life”? Agent Angelina lay on the scene to collect data, to let the scene tell her, what is going on. instead of spining and thinking… observe what happen?

From the Narrow stance and the bondingfeet nature, in my understanding, Earth or Ground in Wing Chun Kuen which has a fame of to be " feminine art" has a different way to deal with the Earth of the Ground.

Just some drunken thoughts :smiley:

Originally posted by CarlDouglas108
[B]Matrix>I ask that others honor Hendrik’s request. I ,for one , am interested in hearing what he has to say on this topic.

But he hasn’t said anything about it, rather choosing to constantly ask questions.

Hendrik reminds me of a Court Jester or the local fool that no-one can take seriously.

Regards

CD [/B]

Dont take me seriously. Dont even trust me. Find thing out for yourself.

Originally posted by CarlDouglas108
But he hasn’t said anything about it, rather choosing to constantly ask questions.

As Voltaire said, " Judge a man by his questions, rather than by his answers." The questions are often interesting, and provoke thought. Sometimes, I don’t understand ( or don’t care) about what is being asked, so I move on. I like to be selective.

Hendrik reminds me of a Court Jester or the local fool that no-one can take seriously.
Interesting reference. In medieval times, the court jester was often allowed to say things that others would dare not say, since it was said “in jest”. Sometimes a joke is just the truth wrapped up in such a way so as to be less offensive. The truth hurts…

If it doesn’t work for you, that’s fine. Ignore it.

Now, back to our regularly scheduled program…

Originally posted by Matrix
The questions are often interesting, and provoke thought.

The ZEN way of transmitting the mind Seal is not about telling others, one to one teaching, or hands on hand holding.

BUT, asking question and let one Observe.

Via OBSERVATION, one AWARE. and the rest of the so-called ANSWER are conditional in this ever changing world anyway.

Perhaps, I am not interesting in giving ANSWER but interested in TRANSCENT people to be able to OBSERVE and DEVELOP AWARENESS? Wing Chun Kuen is an art based on AWARENESS isnt it? why should you swim in my river?

You even see people jump gun instead of reading carefull what I post. In that case, instead of attacking me, perhaps my suggestion is one has to observe the thinker. because that thinker has mislead one. That is lack of AWARENESS. and obviously I am just a mirror to show that lack of AWARENESS isnt it?

What is the most original way to do YJKYM? :smiley:
Well, that depend if you wear high heel or not. Hehehee

ISnt it question is a great tool? and isnt it there is no one absolute answer? :smiley:

Dont tell me Grounding or rooting is to stuck 4 inches of that 4 inch high heel spike into ground. That will break the heel from a certain angle or from over strech into broken arrow situation isnt it?

So, what is grounding? what is rooting? are you thinking interm of scarcity or are you thinking of abundant? Are you thinking of always has to compensate your stance or Are you thinking of flowing with nature? ARe you thinking of against the mother earth? or are you thinking of allow the mother earth to support you? So, if falling bad? is standing good?

I certainly has lots and lots of questions, But if you asked those question and observe, you will arive at the meaning of Dei, earthing… interm of concept and technical details…

An eagle cannot fly without that first support by the mother earth.
Can Wing Chun kuen ascent before aware of the existance of mother earth?

Ignore me if you find me wield and crazy. hahahaha. I am not going to answer any question. I ask question here on. Dont you love Chan or Chaan or Zen? :smiley:

Originally posted by Matrix

Interesting reference. In medieval times,…

Female MUST bondfeet, and you better not complain. this is medieval times, opps, Ming Dynasty. :smiley:

I love old song. I know I know some of you cant stand that! :smiley:

THE ALAN PARSONS PROJECT lyrics - “What Goes Up…”

What goes up must come down.
What must rise must fall…
And what goes on in your life
Is writing on the wall!
If all things must fall,
Why build a miracle at all?
If all things must pass,
Even a miracle won’t last.
What goes up must come down.
What must stand alone?
And what goes on in your mind
Is turning into stone!
If all things must fall
Why build a miracle at all?
If all things must pass,
Even a pyramid won’t last…

How can you be so sure?
How do you know what the end will endure?
How can you be so sure
That the wonders you’ve made in your life
Will be seen
By the millions who’ll follow to visit the site
Of your dream?

What goes up must come down…
What goes 'round must come 'round…
What’s been lost must be found…


Dei, Groudning, Rooting, Earthing, … mother earth…

But it doesnt say, always lay on the ground or always never left the ground. always it is me who goes down to ground. …hahahahaha

Just dont work against mother earth. Got it? :smiley:

Top Secret why one is sooo afraid to being take down or ground fight.

1, Because, one is in denial of the existance of the power of earth instead of make use of it.

2, Because, one doesnt allow the mother earth to support oneself and keep against it.

3, Because, one put oneself in a situation of alway has to compensate oneself against the mother earth instead of make use of it in all situation.

4, Because, even Angelina has to lay on the scene to observe and find out what is going on there.

5, Because one think in a SCARCITY WAY instead of ABUNDANT WAY ---- let the mother earth support one instead of poking that 4 inch high heel totally into the ground and call it “grounding”!

Which is the answer? :smiley:

Is it the technics of others or the anti-denial-of EARTH power mentality which bring one down? which is more scary? the ignorance of the power of the mother earth, or the technics of others which is an alignement of refex the abundant of the power of mother earth, which can be or doesnt have to be a ground fight?

Dei, there is no rule or fomulars or dimention…etc .

it is about aware of the mother earth and allow the mother earth to support one. It is about respect and honor the power of earth or nature.

It is allow one’s root chakra to activate and connect to the energy of the earth and universal. Then, there is no fear of survival.

Spring needs earth power to grow right?

Nah, Bruce Lee’s fast kick cant replace the power of the mother earth, Fast Sun Punches cant replace the power of the mother earth. Do you respect and honor the power of the mother earth? no theory, that simple.

In the old time, before learning any technics, people was taught to stand in stance, to sit on ground, to lay on ground to feel that settling..to allow to be supported..into the chest of the mother --earth.

2000 is the time of holistics…

What goes up must come down…
What goes 'round must come 'round…
What’s been lost must be found…

Dei, is about one sentence, allow the abundant of the mother earth power to support.

(Abstracted from the journey of a MAD MAN)

Okay we have…

Alan Parson lyrics…

Women in Bound feet vs. women in high heels…

More YGKYM broken arrow psuedo intellectual hippie trips…

False history claims that wider stance and knee usage developed post BL WC.

All this from 8 long winded posts.

And still no knowledge of Tin Yan Dei beyond the superficial high middle low references.

Big words, no substance.

Many Questions, no answers.

Originally posted by duende
[B]Okay we have…

Alan Parson lyrics…

Women in Bound feet vs. women in high heels…

More YGKYM broken arrow psuedo intellectual hippie trips…

False history claims that wider stance and knee usage developed post BL WC.

All this from 8 long winded posts.

And still no knowledge of Tin Yan Dei beyond the superficial high middle low references.

Big words, no substance.

Many Questions, no answers. [/B]

Thanks for your support, reading it and commenting.

with mother earth, nothing is not a support right? :smiley:

so, that is Die or earth.

What is Human?

What is Heaven?

hahahaha

originally posted by hendik
Originally, I am thinking to post a series of issues on how I see Wing Chun Kuen Localized evolve, and how Tien Dei Yan was Localized evolved.
…but that would require answers better to stare into your computer than the mirror.

Originally posted by canglong
…but that would require answers better to stare into your computer than the mirror.

I am watching the Apocalypse while the mother earth support me to settle in my coooze sofa.

http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?id=1808495843&d=hv&cf=info

hahahaha. a petty great movie.

fau kiu

originally posted by hendik
I am watching the Apocalypse while the mother earth support me to settle in my coooze sofa.
This explains why you can never find time to write your book or are you writing it thread by thread.

Canglong>This explains why you can never find time to write your book or are you writing it thread by thread.

Ah yes, the infamous book about the art that Hendrik no longer practices but has plenty of time to riddle about!

Regards

CD