Red Dawn

[QUOTE=Lee Chiang Po;1019049]Oh, I don’t know about that. Mexico and Canada seem to like the US pretty much. They have been envading for years and years, and the living is free and good. Don’t know why a hungry Chinaman wouldn’t like it too.[/QUOTE]

so you don’t think there’s a lot of americans in mexico and canada, living there?
think again.

there are literally 100s of thousands of US citizens who live and work here in Canada. and millions who come for a visit annually.

Mexicans? We got those too! In the thousands!

Personally I think it’s because of our social services and medical aid which has been provided by the people of canada. :slight_smile: we’ve been doing that for decades.

Go Canada! :smiley:

actually, many chinese and asia neighbors of china will love to see the movie.

august 1st or eight one was the day some of the nationalist troops with communist political leaders rose up and rebelled, since the news of removing communists from nationalists troops/army was coming. that was also the first split between cpc and kmt cooperation and the start of civil war in 1927 and continueig today.

taiwan is always busy in preparing for red dawn, spent unpropionate funds for defense since 1949.

Japan and south korea, vietnam— all have dreams or planning for red dawn if not russian (since last hundred of years) then chinese invasion (since some thousand year ago).

being china’s satelite countries or borderning countries has some blessing, too–

at the age of nuclear weapon, china started and had a successful nuclear program in the 1960s, prevented Taiwan’s plan to return to the mainland

and also limited vietnam conflict

in short a large scale conventional warfare is no longer likely among china, russia and us without nuclear exchange first

actually space war on killing the communication and spy satellites first

so the movie or tale of paratroopers landing in a us town may not be likely

but it can be very much real in taiwan, south korea, japan, vietnam etc etc

so the movie will have huge audience in the countries mentioned above since they do not have nuclear program or A-bomb.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUslg9_o4Xo&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtoAvnoFtqM&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNwWgpXPz9M&feature=related

battle at ku ning tou in 1949 that stemmed or stopped the red tide flowing toward taiwan.

:cool:

[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1018963]Why would anyone invade the US?
It has very little to offer China.

Most countries have learned that occupying another country is costly, pointless and never lasts anyways.[/QUOTE]
1066?
The Mongul Empire
Tibet
Xinjiang
The Sioux Nation
Carthage - invaded and burnt to the ground - it’s why English is based on the Roman Language.
The list is endless.

Anyway Afghanistan is a surrogate war - it’s the problem.

—>

Contemporary Invasion is often Economic - talk a good look around art your conquerers - Japanese , Chinese , Islamic money is at extreme work etc. And it can (is) translate into labour gulags and worse.

heh “The dangerous Pravda” the Ruskies (Putinites) seem to be on the warpath once again, there has been a swing back there.

“Racist” - it’s probably racist to consider this movie racist - the commies are still the commies, it’s the lesson of 6-4.
By that standard, every war movie ever made is “racist”.

Political organizations and social organizations are not necessarily racial and individual identities. It’s the problem of the modern world that propaganda is used in this regard to manipulate people’s identities to gain power for organizations rather than to educate them to dis-identify.

Dis-identification dis-empowers those organizations. Identity confusion is a neurotic sickness of which unfortunately used for mass manipulation. The recent Olympics and the World cup being prime examples of malicious identity manipulation.
Sorry , I forgot to mention Government Wushu in that list. :wink:

Quit with the sensitivity, already.

Looks like good entertainment, I loved “Red Dawn I”.

This one from…uh, the other angle..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGk2TojOd-4

Good one Dave

Four Lions looked interesting but the reviews haven’t been that good. Meanwhile, back to RD.

Detroit-filmed ‘Red Dawn’ remake prompts Chinese outcry, delayed due to MGM bankruptcy
Published: Monday, November 15, 2010, 11:54 AM Updated: Monday, November 15, 2010, 12:23 PM
Jonathan Oosting |
Don’t expect to see the Detroit-filmed “Red Dawn” remake on the big screen anytime soon.

Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer filed for bankruptcy earlier this month, confirming reports the struggling company will be unable to release the film in the near future despite an original release date of Nov. 24.

While that may be a disappointment for Metro Detroiters hoping to spot local locations, it should come as good news to some in China who fear the film could spur anti-Chinese sentiment.

The remake largely follows the Soviet-invasion plot of the original 1984 film starring Patrick Swayze and Charlie Sheen, except this time around the main characters are fighting off the Chinese (and apparently rocking out to Toby Keith).

Beijing’s largest newspaper, the state-run Global Times, in June ran two editorials on the film, suggesting “U.S. reshoots Cold War movie to demonize China” and “American movie plants hostile seeds against China.”

While conspiracy theorists have suggested the U.S. government attempted to block the “Red Dawn” in the face of Chinese pressure, former Mount Clemens resident George Joseph, who runs the unofficial Red Dawn 2010 website, tells the Daily Tribune he thinks that idea is laughable.

“The delay is very much a result of the MGM bankruptcy,” he told the newspaper. “They are holding back other films too. It looks like once this deal and bankruptcy finalize they will look for a partner to distribute the films they have had on hold, including Red Dawn.”

“Red Dawn” started filming in Metro Detroit in August of last year, with crews shooting scenes in Mount Clemens, Royal Oak, Harper Woods and downtown Detroit. As the Guardian put in a potentially-offensive description, Detroit’s “emptying streets and many abandoned factories were seen as the perfect real-life backdrop for the city’s war scenes.”

Still no release date…

…but it’s in the can so the premiere is imminent.

New Cast Photo & Release Info for RED DAWN Starring Chris Hemsworth & Jeffrey Dean Morgan
By Pietro Filipponi
Published: January 3, 2011 - 9:40pm

The upcoming war film directed by Dan Bradley is based on the 1984 film of the same name, which starred Patrick Swayze as the leader of the “Wolverines.”

The storyline is simple: A group of teenagers look to save their town from an invasion of foreign soldiers by taking refuge in the woods and going on the offensive. Actors Chris Hemsworth and Josh Peck will portray the brothers Jed and Matt Eckert, roles originally played by Patrick Swayze and Charlie Sheen. Unlike the 1984 film which pitted the teens against the Russians, the new band of “Wolverines” (the nickname the group calls themselves) will face of against Chinese invaders.

In June 2010, the theatrical release of the film was delayed due to MGM’s financial difficulties. The delay was worsened by growing controversy in China after excerpts of the script were leaked, and caused the film to draw sharp criticism from one of the leading Chinese state-run newspapers; which ran headlines such as “U.S. reshoots Cold War movie to demonize China” and “American movie plants hostile seeds against China”. Problems aside, thought, it appears audiences are now closer to seeing Red Dawn in theaters than planned. Once their current Chapter 11 restructuring is complete, MGM will set it’s sights on the remake. The film is one of three already completed projects that will be released in 2011.

Featured in the picture above is the core Red Dawn cast, including Chris Hemsworth, Josh Hutcherson, Adrianne Palicki, Isabel Lucas, Edwin Hodge and Alyssa Diaz.

From China to North Korea

Reel China: Hollywood tries to stay on China’s good side
Without Beijing even uttering a critical word, MGM is changing the villains in its ‘Red Dawn’ remake from Chinese to North Korean. It’s all about maintaining access to the Asian superpower’s lucrative box office.
“Red Dawn”
By Ben Fritz and John Horn, Los Angeles Times
March 16, 2011

China has become such an important market for U.S. entertainment companies that one studio has taken the extraordinary step of digitally altering a film to excise bad guys from the Communist nation lest the leadership in Beijing be offended.

When MGM decided a few years ago to remake “Red Dawn,” a 1984 Cold War drama about a bunch of American farm kids repelling a Soviet invasion, the studio needed new villains, since the U.S.S.R. had collapsed in 1991. The producers substituted Chinese aggressors for the Soviets and filmed the movie in Michigan in 2009.

But potential distributors are nervous about becoming associated with the finished film, concerned that doing so would harm their ability to do business with the rising Asian superpower, one of the fastest-growing and potentially most lucrative markets for American movies, not to mention other U.S. products.

As a result, the filmmakers now are digitally erasing Chinese flags and military symbols from “Red Dawn,” substituting dialogue and altering the film to depict much of the invading force as being from North Korea, an isolated country where American media companies have no dollars at stake.

The changes illustrate just how much sway China’s government has in the global entertainment industry, even without uttering a word of official protest. Although it’s unclear if anyone in China has seen “Red Dawn,” a leaked version of the script last year resulted in critical editorials in the Global Times, a communist party-controlled paper.

That followed postings of pictures on China’s popular Web portals Sina and Tiexue in late 2009 of the “Red Dawn” set showing actors posing as Chinese troops and mock propaganda posters of the U.S. Capitol building smashed by a hammer. The posts received tens of the thousands of views. “When does it come out?” read one Chinese comment. “There is no hope for theatrical screening [censorship], wait for pirated version.”

An MGM spokesman said that no one at the studio has had discussions with Chinese government officials about “Red Dawn.”

Hollywood has learned the hard way that besmirching China’s image on-screen can have long-running implications for the many arms of a modern media conglomerate. In the late 1990s, Walt Disney Studios, Sony Pictures and MGM all faced a temporary halt in their business dealings in the country after releasing the movies “Kundun,” “Seven Years in Tibet” and “Red Corner,” respectively, which were critical of the communist government.

Today, China is far more important to the Hollywood studios, despite the government’s policy of allowing only about 20 non-Chinese films into theaters each year. In 2010, China was the fifth-biggest box office market outside of the United States, with $1.5 billion in revenue.

A number of Hollywood studios are deepening their business ties to the world’s most populous nation. Disney is building a theme park outside Shanghai, Sony Pictures co-produced the recent “Karate Kid” remake with the government-affiliated China Film Group, and News Corp.'s Fox International Productions recently made the Chinese-language hit “Hot Summer Days” there. Even independent studios like Lionsgate and Summit Entertainment will release their films “Killers” and “Red” in China in coming months.

Dan Mintz, whose DMG Entertainment is a leading producer and distributor of movies in China, said the “Red Dawn” story dramatizes how Western companies can fundamentally misunderstand how the nation works. If the picture had gone out without redacting the Chinese invaders, he said, “there would have been a real backlash. It’s like being invited to a dinner party and insulting the host all night long. There’s no way to look good… The film itself was not a smart move.”

Mintz, who met with the producers of “Red Dawn” to offer some suggestions on how they could proceed, said that doing business in China requires a partnership approach. “The more you reach out, the better your relationships will be,” Mintz said. “This is bigger than a single film.”

The “Red Dawn” remake follows several teenagers in Spokane, Wash., who fight invading Chinese forces allied with Russia in the near future (in the original film, the Soviets partnered with Cubans). The roughly $60-million production stars Chris Hemsworth, who will become much better known to moviegoers this May when he plays the title role in the superhero event picture “Thor.”

MGM had been set to release “Red Dawn” in November, but the debt-laden studio filed for bankruptcy the month before and emerged under new leadership at the end of the year. New chief executives Gary Barber and Roger Birnbaum are seeking to sell both “Red Dawn” and the horror film “The Cabin in the Woods,” the last two pictures produced under a previous regime, as they try to reshape the 87-year-old company.

China will be an important market for the studio as it goes ahead with plans to produce two movies based on “The Hobbit” and James Bond sequels. The last Bond movie, 2008’s “Quantum of Solace,” grossed $21 million in China.

In the last few weeks, MGM has begun showing “Red Dawn” to potential buyers at other studios. Several people who have seen the movie but requested anonymity because they were not authorized to speak on the record said they couldn’t risk distributing it given the potential blowback in China.

The feedback led to MGM’s decision to make the highly unusual changes. Although it’s common to reshape movies in the editing room, there’s no known precedent for changing the nationality of an entire group of characters.

People close to the picture said the changes will cost less than $1 million and involve changing an opening sequence summarizing the story’s fictional backdrop, re-editing two scenes and using digital technology to transform many Chinese symbols to Korean. It’s impossible to eliminate all references to China, the people said, though the changes will give North Korea a much larger role in the coalition that invades the U.S.

“We were initially very reluctant to make any changes,” said Tripp Vinson, one of the movie’s producers. “But after careful consideration we constructed a way to make a scarier, smarter and more dangerous ‘Red Dawn’ that we believe improves the movie.”

Representatives for director Dan Bradley did not respond to requests for comment.

If MGM is unable to find a distributor for the movie, it could end up going direct-to-DVD or could even be shelved, never to be seen by the public.

“Red Dawn” is not the only piece of entertainment to swap out Chinese villains for North Koreans recently. The video game “Homefront,” which was released this week and features a script by John Milius, writer of the original “Red Dawn,” was also originally intended to feature a Chinese invasion. For business reasons, publisher THQ changed the occupying forces to North Korea.

A representative for MGM said it’s hopeful the unusual changes will have a simple result: turning “Red Dawn” from a complete write-off into a movie that can find an audience and make money.

“MGM has been working with the film ‘Red Dawn’s’ director and producers to make the most commercially viable version of the film for audiences worldwide,” said Mike Vollman, executive vice president of worldwide marketing. “We want to ensure the most people possible are able to experience it.”

Does this mean the villains will be doing taekwondo instead of wushu? awwwww. :rolleyes:

ah - no matter what they do the public and china will always know that it is about China.

Common now North Korea - ridiculous

Its become so obvious lately how the USA should really be written “U$A”

But thats okay, I’d say in less then 50 years China will be the #1 power in the world when it comes to $$ and acquisition of natural resources. (you don’t see China getting involved in the middle east.

ah politics at the best.

Can bet that the original film will leak out YEAH!!

enough of my rant - back to KF.

thnaks gene

Isn’t that new video game Homefront about North Korea invading and occupying the US? Talk about improbable and jumping the shark…

Yeah but it is okay for every new kung fu pic to have the evil westerner that is a bad guy and fights and losses to the hero. They always make westerners look stupid and take shots at us but they can’t be a bad guy in one of our movies. I mean common on it is a movie have some thicker skin from god sake.

I thought they actually made the evil Westerner in Ip Man 2 into a near-invincible machine. They let him make the other kung fu sifus seem a bit helpless, and even Ip Man was barely able to beat him (okay, the Westerners kind of biased the match in their favor near the end, but still).

But yeah, I agree that many Chinese movies make Westerners look bad; not only Westerners but other Asians, too.

Although in a couple of the Thai movies, there’s Chinese villains: Tom Yum Goong (a.k.a.,The Protector) and Raging Phoenix (the Chinese drunken kung fu guy).

Sorry, a bit off-topic…

I am cool with either being bad guys but you have to have it both ways and not cause the movie maker go back and change the movie.

it is just a movie.

but PR China did learn from first gulf war in early 1990’s.

such as smart bombs, cruise missiles, precision bombing, —

and then stealth and no man flying crafts from 2nd gulf war 2000’s.

north korea is so poor, may be invade south korea, or Japan

invade US nah–

:slight_smile:

[QUOTE=CLFNole;1083983]Yeah but it is okay for every new kung fu pic to have the evil westerner that is a bad guy and fights and losses to the hero. They always make westerners look stupid and take shots at us but they can’t be a bad guy in one of our movies. I mean common on it is a movie have some thicker skin from god sake.[/QUOTE]

Let’s be fair about those films though, they are set in a time period when Westerners were being ****s over there.

A movie depicting the Chinese invading the United States a whole other ball of wax. You’re trying to compare a movie with a contemporary setting showing China invading the US, when there’s not even a remote likelihood of that happening, to movies set in an era when Western wrestlers and boxers were going to China and saying they were the “sick men of Asia” and beating the tar out of kung fu men with biased fight rules that favored whatever fighting the European/American guys were doing. Certain figures in the kung fu world did step up and put a beat down on such people after their race and fighting styles were humiliated by these guys. Ip Man, and Huo Yuan Jia are just two such historical figures.

It makes one wonder, too, what the difference is between then and now in the martial arts world. We’ve got MMA commentators saying kung fu specifically and traditional martial arts generally are worthless in fights.

It’s a curious little paranoia that Hollywood latches onto with movies like Red Dawn. The US, in this day an age, is the most militarily adventurous nation state on the planet and has been since the USSR fell, and even before then we probably garnered that distinction. The US is terrified of someone else doing to us just exactly what we do best. No matter how unrealistic or sensationalist it is. Juxtapose that with actual historical cases of the US and Europeans going to foreign lands and working tirelessly to humiliate them ethnically and culturally.

White people largely get their panties in a twist because we hate being confronted with our own sins and prefer to view history in a completely ahistorical way. Basing kung fu movies off of things that actually happen bothers me far less than a stupid paranoid sensationalist and outright ridiculous move like the original Red Dawn and this one. A handful of redneck teenagers are going to put a viable resistance to an occupying army my butt.

There is quite a bit of fear/anger in the U.S. about China these days. The vast majority of it is due to U.S. manufacturing transferring to China, copyright infringements, etc., etc. In that sense, a movie about an invading Chinese army could be symbolic.

One thing I do see, and I think I mentioned this way earlier in this thread(?), is that American movies of this type can often incite paranoia that may inspire already-stupid people to single out anyone they think is Chinese (i.e., anyone of Asian heritage) for racist rants or even hate crimes. America is multi-cultural, but the heroes in these films are overwhelmingly white, usually with an African-American or two for “racial balance” and maybe a token ‘good Asian’ (usually a sexy female in love with the white hero).

Jimbo: you raise a good point. If a movie raises anger against a race even if it is just an ignorant person that isn’t good. I am a gwai lo and my wife is from Hong Kong so I am not necessarily on the side of the US film makers per say. I just don’t like to see political pressure of any kind force a change to a movie. That being said movie makers do need to be sensitive to the political climate.

so I was playing x-box with home front


single player mode has to follow the story line

kpa korea people army–

so i bought the game book to follow the story line, hidden history–

multi player mode is much better, with actions all the time, not so much story telling

it was quite a script about how KPA invaded US

Wolverines!

U.S. business self-censors to keep China satisfied
David Sirota, 2011 Creators.com
March 24, 2011 04:00 AM
03/25/11

“Red Dawn,” a '80s movie about Russians invading, is being remade with a few characters stripped out.

The 1984 film “Red Dawn” fantasized about a group of American teenagers called the Wolverines who repelled an invasion of foreign communists. For its mix of dystopia and hope, the movie became such an enduring cultural touchstone that U.S. military leaders honored it by naming their 2003 effort to apprehend Saddam Hussein “Operation Red Dawn.” Amid the triumphalism, however, the invaders started winning - a fact that none other than “Red Dawn’s” 2011 remake underscores.

That’s the subtext of this week’s Los Angeles Times report about MGM taking “the extraordinary step” of digitally removing fictional Chinese villains from the $60 million film “lest the leadership in Beijing be offended.” Why the fear of upsetting such an odiously anti-democratic government? Because movie executives worry that a film involving a negative message about China “would harm their ability to do business” with a nation that is among the “most lucrative markets for American movies.”

The studio suits are right to be concerned. China’s government only allows about 20 non-Chinese movies per year into its theaters, and in the 1990s, the regime halted Walt Disney, Sony and MGM business in the country after those companies produced films deemed critical of China. Seeking to avoid a similar fate, the film industry now regularly shapes products to appease the Chinese regime. In that sense, the only thing newsworthy about the “Red Dawn” tiff is the public nature of the content revision.

Whether you are a “Red Dawn” fan or not, the episode shows that for all the theories about American cultural exports aiding democratic ferment and challenging autocracy, the dynamic is working the other way as autocracy gives orders to American culture. Indeed, China is now creating a pervasive ethos of what Times reporter Ben Fritz calls “self-censorship” - the kind in which America’s media industries pre-emptively shape content to keep China’s dictators happy.

The consequences are more far-reaching than just a change of bad guys in a campy '80s retread. Just ask Rupert Murdoch. In 1993, the media baron removed the BBC from his Star TV channel so as to satisfy Beijing and thus secure the station’s access to China’s audience. Then came Google’s move in 2006 to censor its search engine in exchange for a pass through China’s Great Firewall. And though Google recently said it was ending that censorship, Microsoft’s Bill Gates - another powerful content gatekeeper with business in China - publicly slammed companies for questioning Beijing’s demands.

In an interview this week, Fritz explained the cumulative effect: “If you think the rules and restrictions of the authoritarian government in China are a bad thing and amount to censorship, then in a global economy where products made in America are seen and consumed in China, those rules and that censorship is affecting what we here in America see.”

And unfortunately, no band of Wolverines can stop it.

David Sirota is the author of “Back to Our Future: How the 1980s Explain the World We Live In Now.”
I’m intrigued by Sirota’s book now. Has anyone here read it?

this only proves that the USA needs to adopt the same business practices as China.

Start banning their “inferior” products on a larger scale and then we’ll see what happens. ex: If china only allows a set number of foreign films into their country then we can do the same. yeah Yeah I know bad for us Kung fuers.

As an American I see how my country is slowly being eroded away by big business. In general terms its amount to Treasonous Practices that is causing us to follow the path of lets say the Roman Empire.

What China needs is a War in their own back yard. okay now I’m a hater:D