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TINA SPAR

Here is some footage shot the other day on a clip called:

Tina Spar.

The girl Tina is 14 fighting my student who just was discharged from the army.

I put this here to show how I train a girl like this to deal with bigger people.
You can see that the guy, Hsiao Shun, is not being aggressive, too bad, he should have been more so, but it is the stigma of beating up little girls.

Which is also why I didn’t post myself hitting her.
I don’t want any proof to come back and haunt me.

This clip can be divided into 8 times of contact.
What follows is the play by play.
If you are not into deep analyzing of a fight you may find this boring.
But it is useful for me to help my students(and myself) improve as well as pinpoint what went wrong.

  1. Tina takes the initiative to seal and throw a right hook, left seal and right backfist.

2.Tina expects to attack again, but misreads Hsiao’s intentions.
Hsiao seal with go lou tsai and punches her in the face.
She dodges, but takes a bit of it.

Getting hit like this is good for her so she realizes that she will get hit, doesn’t mean she has to lose too. It doesn’t bother her anymore thanks to me slapping her in the face frequently. So she comes back and takes the initiative for…

3.Tina attempts a gou lou tsai chest punch, but at the same time Hsioa does the gou lou hook punch.
I have to admit he throws a craapola punch. Maybe he felt bad about hitting her in the face a second ago.

“No mercy on the battlefield!” is the Shaolin motto.

Tina throws a left hanging block, but she is too late.
Well, it doesn’t matter as Hsiao’s hook is intercepted by low flying aircraft.

  1. Tina comes in again, but loses confidence on initial contact and gets out.

Good idea when you don’t have a good feeling.

Tina comes in with the gou lou tsai punch to the chest.
If you go slow you will notice that her left sealing hand loses contact with Hsiao’s right hand.
She is now in deep danger,but Hsiao doesn’t take advantage of it.
She continues with the right hook backfist combo anyway.

Interesting point, in PM the hook is very often followed by a backfist. Here the backfist blocks Hsiao’s right head punch.
It is a good combo that is useful even when you don’t have a clue as to what is going on.

  1. Odd coincidence they both do a kick.
    Notice how her lead hand occupies his before the kick.
    Good principle to follow to help prevent your leg from being grabbed.
    But, her kick should have hit hsiao in the grion.
    We need to work on the accuracy of that.

I speciffically blame this mistake on her old TKD training.
I would consider this a good example of how studying a MA makes you a worse fighter.

The groin is what should be hit, not the point scoring belly.

Tina comes in again with the sealing and hook punch, but loses on her short range, luckily she keeps her hand down to help absorb some of Hsiao’s kick.
Though, for the record it is sloppy and worthless kick.
I would stand on the side and curse up a mighty fit after that kick.

TIna tries to come in for the go lou tsai combo as Hsiao also tries that combo.
She is overpowered, but is able to get the left hand up in time.
truthfully it wouldn’t matter as his hand is just swatting flies.
Again with the curses and sarcastic questions to him by me.

I don’t think she is going to get skill by him pulling his punches away, but don’t worry this was his first time crossing hands with her(if you can call it that).
I think even she would have liked it much more if he had been more aggressive.

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tainan

i sent a video over with john to give you. Did you get it yet?

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Shr`s Beng Bu

With the help from 18-Elders, I finally got to view Master Shrs two roads out of Beng Bu. A little differant than the way I got it, but inspirational. Wish I could get his video on this form. Tomorrows computer lesson, Tina Spar!

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About sparring thread.

Here the clip called shao xun is a single drill repeated all day to ingrain the attack and defense.

The clip called Kevin and Zak I attack with several different methods and Zak doesn’t know which I will use.

Tina spar. The beginning of aggresive defense comes out.

18 Elders,
Got the vid. Thanks. We can talk privately about it.

Yushan,
I learned Beng Bu 1st road how it is filmed here.
This is a good example of how a move contains a principle, in this case to keep connected to your opponent to apply the elbow technique.

You can cover a small distance or a large one it doesn’t change the principle that Shi Laoshi is trying to impart.

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I couldn’t see a link for the tina clip in your post Tainan. Am I blind or just lost?

bt

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Third clip down called,
“Tina Spar”

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question

Are all those videos Northern Praying mantis?

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Tainan Mantis

Tainan Mantis

Your really good

It’s refreshing

  1. Are you an instructor?

  2. How many years of training do you have?

  3. If you teach where?

Thanks for your time

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All forms are PM except weapons.
And the blue uniform stuff is from a video I made on Shaolin.
The drills are PM But the 2man form shown is not.

Trained around 20 years and now teach in Tainan, hence my name.
I am actually a better vid editor than MArtist.
You should see the vid crud I keep locked up at home before judging me.

Well, actaully you shouldn’t. It is my bigget secret.

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Tainan

Very nice video clips! Thanks for sharing them.

Do you know of a Short stick system (single and double) taught in Taiwan? On of the clips there is a two person short stick sequence that looks familiar.

Thanks for your time

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Maybe someday, if Im worthy enough, Id be honored to see this so called vid crud.

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useing the vids

Try to open the file ,then before it opens ,save target as,
and the video should open before it fully down loads

it’s kinda werid but that was the only way i could see it

maybe this will help

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sayloc,
I know of the single and double stick method.
The double is really 6 harmony double saber.

I have a 12 second clip of it as a partner set, but it is a little dark in filming.

The single stick stuff is chan tou guo nao-wrap the head pass the brain.
And li nao cang dao. In the brain hide the saber.

These two methods are common to almost all short club and saber methods.

It is based on a somewhat heavy weapon.

With a lighter weapon the stick or saber moves a little differently, but the same principle still applies.

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Tainan

Sir, Thanks for the previous reply.

Do you know if this single and double stick system is taught as a complete system in itself or part of other systems?

I have seen (what I think is a complete system supposedly out of Taiwan) 5 different single stick two person drills and hundreds of tecchniques used in the same system involving block and strike,wrist locking, elbow locking, knee locking, throwing and choking technique techniques. Very effective stuff.

The name of the system would be wrap the head pass the brain or is this the name of just one technique?

Thanks again

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wrap the head prass the brain etc. are single techniques.
But they comprise the essence of most short stick and saber(not jian).

Our concept of what comprises a system in single and double stick likely differs.

I think that a small amount of moves are all that is required.

The student must have the ability and understanding to adopt the moves to other short, long and bladed weapons.

Also, drills for explaining these concepts.

So under my definition I have the outline of the system.
All it needs is practice.

I have noticed that some schools have huge piles of techniques to train.

I think it clutters the mind.
Since you need to a clean uncomplicated mind in fighting it is good if it is clean and not complicated in training.

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I wasnt really wanting to dicuss the theory of what a system is.

I knew you lived in Taiwan and you seem to be very knowledgable about such things. I just wondered if you have heard of such a system. I am told one exists, I thought it may be included in another system though.

Thanks

Have a great day

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I do not know of a school that teaches the way you mention.

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KEVIN SPAR

About the latest clip calld Kevin Spar.

My opponent was just released from is tour of military duty and this is the first time we cross hands in several years.

As you watch this short clip you still have enough time to notice that he is overly timid, maybe even afraid.
Slightly OT, but to me it is a sad note on the Taiwan Military.
Two years in the service, a war looming with China(don’t get me started), and no ability to bring out aggresive tendencies, and this is not an islated case.

Anyway, the fellow is not ready, and in a situation like this, where this level of “intensity” is frightening for him I will use a different method in the future.

He should do more of the attacking drills and nurture his aggressive abilities.

So about the movements themselves.

  1. he comes out with a weak right
    My right “appears” to come out, but it is a ruse, my left controls his right so I can throw a right hook.

He blocks it with a left gua and his right hand wisely frees itself to throw a short punch to my face. Notice how my left hand recovers after his right slips out.
It quickly goes to my face expecting to be hit by his right.

My problem here is that my left sealing hand was too weak and I didn’t take the chance to advance more thus allowing his right hand to escape.

On a side note, that block or one just like it caused the fight to end after about 30 seconds.
2 years away has caused his arm bone to become too soft and can no longer withstand my hook punch.
His left forearm immedietly swelled up as if he had been bitten by a rabid dog there.

He comes in with the same weak right.
My right hand fools him again, but this time my left hand parrys upward to deliver a right adding punch.
Once again I suffer from floating right elbow here. Back to the practice room.
But i do lightly tag him with this one(I know pointless).
This is “bu zhao er da”
Strike with out blocking, since my left hand function is minimal here.

His timidness is becoming contagoius.

almost a repeat of 2, but from a different angle.

(ala Mantis108)
to show that these gloves don’t interfere with grabs.
Right hands meet.
I take the chance to launch myself to his back gate and attack the side of his head.
(shan zhuan teng nuo-dodge, decieve, leap and turn.
Key aspects of PM fighting.)

He blocks it.
My angle of attack and momentum allow me to get a very solid grab on his hands.
You can see how I use strength to jolt him towrds me to upset his root.
My left still has a solid grab so I go for the right head lock.
He gets out of it, but because of my solid grab I get another chance.

This is called hug the head deng pu(bao tou deng pu).

I could have dropped my knee on his rib like someone mentioned(or my body and kept the headlock on), but that is not needed.
Only if I want to seriously hurt someone do I need to smash is ribs.

Again my right hand tricks him.
I make contact with the left so I can throw the right hook punch.
Notice how I move in before the punch even sticks to his gua.
Also, my left does a much better seal(feng) here.
The right hand contacts and sticks(zhan nien) to his block.

This is deng ta.

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Thanks Kevin,

a good explanation of what we see. Your techniques are clear and fits to the level of your opponent!

But to me your opponent seems like a beginner: no feel of the distance, no solid defence, he could not deal with your techniques and (worst) like you said he is anxious.

It would be interesting, if his fighting with a guy of his level is better and more couraged!

But the most negative of the clip: it´s too short! More of it! :wink:

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GBL,
You are right about him looking like a beginner.
I blame the Taiwan military for taking all the fight out of him.

You may notice he is the same guy in clips with me in the blue uniforms.

I’ll make another clip with Yu Shan’s student.
He has the Tennessee spirit.