Prior to this thread I had the approach of “Out Of Sight Out Of Mind”, ignorance won’t help me out at the end of the day.
Now when I moved Stateside, I had to have a full medical, blood test, chest xrays the full monty so I know from 96 prior I was fine. I’m not a high risk candidate but I’m going to pursue the Hep Vacines.
I have a question for Stumblefist,
Stumblefist Wrote>
Blood will do it. So…
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No, i woulnd’t accept such a student.
No, i wouldn’t train with such a student.
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On the other foot.. no i wouldn’t train with others if i was positive and i would expect the same.
What if new perspective students weren’t as forthcoming with information as we would like them to be???
Should Kwoons/Schools almost demand a blood test and physical prior to joining???, almost like buisness’s do in the States???
Grendel Wrote>
As far as threats from syringe wielding assailants, a person with HIV is still a person. If they were sociopathic before contracting it, they very likely were still sociopathic afterwards. Some seem to have very little concern about spreading the virus
Blood will do it. So…
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No, i woulnd’t accept such a student.
No, i wouldn’t train with such a student.
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On the other foot.. no i wouldn’t train with others if i was positive and i would expect the same.
Then Wrote>
HaHa!
Why is that a question for me?
I’m not a lawyer and don’t wantta be.
Am I your nursemaid?
Am i societies nursemaid?
Life is a lot rougher than that.
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You think a test is a guarantee?
Is society incorruptible?
One 10 minute hooker later and you’re infected and can infect outhers.
High risk, low risk: you got it then you got it.
So do you “train” with others or live in a cardboard box??? there are no guarentees but something is better than nothing???
They showed something on MTV about Porn Stars a while back and they said they have to have mantotory bloodtests before “Performing”.
You still keep asking me?
Do I owe you something?
Didn’t your mother wean you?
You gonna pay me for social and legal advice here?
Maybe you need to add some sort of “Disclaimer” saying that your not open for discussion;) if I had seen that I wouldn’t have asked you in the first place:confused:
Don’t bother replying to this, seeing as I’m only interested in serious discussion on the subject at hand, Man what’s wrong with me:confused:.
your decisions about the risks you take are yours.
The way you choose to interact with those around you is your community’s.
If you choose not to train with an HIV positive person and others in your school do, how will you work it out?
How will you chose to treat someone daily confronting their own death with more immediacy than most?
You will watch more people die in your life. People close to you. How would you want them treated? How would you want to be treated in that position?
The above is irrespective of whether or not you chose to risk fluid exchanges. I would suggest that in implementing that decision you attempt to do so with whatever decency and compassion you would otherwise attempt to display towards someone with a terminal illness.
I’m not trying to place a guilt trip on you here. Your decision is a valid one. I’ve been needle-stuck (tested negative multiple times since, all the sticks from people negative for bloodborn disease). I know the feeling and the fear and can’t ask anyone else to risk it. If you choose not to undertake the risk, cool. If do so in such a way that you increase the pain of a person whose life is already complicated enough, solely because of their disease, then you’re a worthless human being, and were you in my presence I would treat you a something of no value to me.
I believe requiring HIV status for employment is actually illegal in the states.
When I have been defacto teaching, I have discussed bloodborn diseases prior to training as part of my interview of prospective students, recommended Hepatitis B vaccines to all who have not received them, and requested HIV blood work on anyone at high risk. Unsurpisingly, all the folks I’ve known who engage in higher risk behaviors have already be pretty diligent about getting tested regularily.
I think if you were going to stage serious full contact matches in class with no stoppage for bleeding, then requesting bloodwork would be reasonable, and I would probably do so.
When I open a school, I will request a Hep B series from all students within 6 months, and hold them responsible for making clear their HIV status, and being careful of their peers safety, whether it be not breaking someone’s neck or their immune system. I would also probably include some language in the initial contract to keep myself covered in case of in-school transmission, liability-wise.
Of course, the best way to make this work is to make sure you create a positive environment in which people are comfortable and feel safe. If someone you’re training with doesn’t feel comfortable letting you know they’re gay, or used to shoot up, or were rape (male or female- male rape happens, and is probably massively under-reported due to social stigma); they’re sure as hell not going to tell you they’re HIV positive.
I believe requiring HIV status for employment is actually illegal in the states.
Sorry, I should have been a bit clearer on what I was saying. The job I’m at now did the physical, there was no blood work that was only for the US Embassy.
Once again I’m going to pursue the Hep B vac and I thank you for bringing out of the dark!!!
the entertainment value in hearing myself referred to as ‘politically correct’ and ‘neurotic’ is vast. I’m so far off the left/ right map, I’m not even on the page.
Death and disease are profoundly apolitical, as is compassion for the sick and dying. How you can construe acting compassionately towards someone whether or not you chose to train with them, trying to at least decline to train with them kindly, as political, is either simple inflammatory trolling or pure stupidity.
I’m not sure what the point of your whole incoherent screed is other than to assert your right to be as sh*tty as you care to be to the sick and dying. Fine, just don’t get all bent when those of feel differently exercise that right towards you.
My point is very simply that, with reasonable precautions, I am comfortable training with someone who is HIV positive, just as I have cared for that population in the hospital.
Originally posted by Stumblefist Oh Dear!
Not Woody Allen’s “Love, Death and Suffering” again!
Truckloads of dead bodies!
Hi Stumblefist,
Don’t forget the scene in one of his movies in which he’s shown as a child fretting about the end of the universe and its implications.
Enough already with the taunting/raving, whatever screed. :rolleyes: If you don’t like the thread, you don’t have to read it. Andrew was invited to comment on the thread because of his undisputed expertise in medicine. I find it exasperating that you treat his and others’ kindly and empathetic impulses so lightly. I certainly appreciate the insight he brings to this and other discussions.
Like you, I’m in California. Maybe we could get together sometime to exchange Wing Chun views and ideas. Look me up in San Jose, if you’d like. Several forum members plan to meet in S.J. April 27. Look for details here as the date gets nearer.
