If it really bothers you, though, ask. Ask someone there you trust. “What gives? Why me?” When they say, “you don’t have any jumblies”, you say, “Have you ever asked me whether that makes the difference?”
another good point
plus, I just like it when Ap says ‘jumblies’
Originally posted by Oso
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another good point
plus, I just like it when Ap says ‘jumblies’ [/B]
Never heard of that before but its funny and non-vulgar:D
Good discussion.
WRT contact with breasts, a female WC-er I know sometimes actually forces a male to touch her breasts in order to get past this hang up in chi sao. She’s a little older, so maybe this is a factor, I can’t say. But the point is that in chi sao a refusal to touch can get in the way of proper learning for both. Its interesting because that sometimes throws the guy off his game…
WRT contact with groin- it hasn’t come up for me, so I’ll just follow the conversation. My $.02 is that they shouldn’t be doing this, and I know I wouldn’t- thats a court case waiting to happen. It does seem overtly sexual.
Carefull with the groin shots. It’s an overated target. I was leaving a PX on Ft Lewis one evening with two cases of beer and a guy about 6’6" 250lbs. stepped out of the bushes and demanded my money and beer. I let the beer slide down my leg to the grass hoping too many bottles wouldn’t be broken and kicked this guy really hard in the daddy button. Apparently he went into shock immedietly and other than being knocked backwards it didn’t faze him because he charged me. I sidestepped his advance and it took six hard strikes to the head to knock him down. Not a fun experience. Could have ended badly for me.
Woh, yea good thing you got in those shots
Maybe he had little ones:rolleyes:
Oso,
plus, I just like it when Ap says ‘jumblies’
I laughed out loud the first time I heard my friend Brian use the term. Been using it ever since. It’s not vulgar. It’s not clinical. It’s perfect.
guohen, I’d a let him have the two cases of beer. He would have had his hands full then.
I agree, the groin is overated as a strike target. The biggest benifit is as a distractionary technique just because most guys will certainly move to protect them out of instinct thus dropping at least one hand…unless of course he’s good and covers with a leg and then you have a hand or foot out of position…but then you could…then he could…but…
hoping too many bottles wouldn’t be broken
and I see you’re a classy beer drinker;)
Well I am now. Back then it was Oly bottles at 4.00 a case. I wasn’t buying. I was flying.
Thanks for the thoughtful responses, guys.
Ap,
lol at jumblies.
I did ask one of the guys, who did the same thing last night, why he punched me there, and he turned completely red and said he just wasn’t thinking and apologized.
I asked this question to get more of a general sense of why a guy would do that when sparring. I’ve come to trust many of your opinions and see that it probably is just thoughtlessness. I don’t know what goes on in the male head, so I have to count on the ideas/opinions of the guys out there I know.
Last year, we had a couple of guys leave because I spoke to sifu about this happening and he talked to them. They left. I don’t want to keep driving people away. That’s why I came here to feel out what was the general male view of that.
Oso,
Sounds like you’re doing fine in your school. I don’t think twice about chest shots–either giving them or taking them. I don’t wear the protectors, either (except in sport TKD where it’s mandatory to wear the shield). I’ve actually gotten used to getting hit there and it doesn’t bother me.
Do you guys have a lot of female students in your kwoons?
And thanks, No_Know, for the technique cues.
This reminds me of having read how women used to be kept out of competing in olympics in slightly older times-
It was said that they cannot participate because of possible reproductive organ related injuries…
Well things are different these days,I do not remember exactly if this had to do with specific sports or something.
If you are training to fight, you should learn how to protect that area, just as they should as well. No need to blast them there if you can help it, but I dont hesitate to hit there or aknowledge someone if they catch me there, its just like jabbing at someones eyes. Hard to see, really hard to block, and ifthey dont get used to it and how to deal with it, they may get a rude awakening one day. Just my $.02
Originally posted by Golden Arms
If you are training to fight, you should learn how to protect that area, just as they should as well. No need to blast them there if you can help it, but I dont hesitate to hit there or aknowledge someone if they catch me there, its just like jabbing at someones eyes. Hard to see, really hard to block, and ifthey dont get used to it and how to deal with it, they may get a rude awakening one day. Just my $.02
If you are training to fight, I agree.
attacking the groin
Robin,
If they go there you can go there. Just try to match their power.
It’s probably best that you talk with whoever you are sparring before hand and agree upon if the target is “legal” and how much power to use. Explain to them that it hurts (to whatever extent it does). You really don’t want them to treat you any differently than another male in the class because if you ever have to use your skills your attacker probably won’t pull any punches. I haven’t sparred any females yet but I asked about it and was told to treat them like everybody else. And, like everybody else I’m careful. I always intend to strike female students, even if they are beginners. Sometimes I make contact with their breasts but I don’t apologize because I don’t want them to feel that makes them different in a MA sense. And they make contact with my cup when they throw that knee to my groin. 
I only have 8-10 students depending on how you count them.(they move really quickly sometimes). Again, I’ll be open 2 years this may. After the first female student started about 6 months after I started class I’ve had a least 1-2 out of the 6-10 since then. BUT, I had 2 women in monday night and they seemed to get a kick out of it so they may stay. But, they said they could only come on Monday’s due to church on Wed. 
my sifu’s school usually had about a 1-4 or 1-5 ratio of men to women. I don’t know but that sounds higher than normal.
I don’t plan on chest protection being mando for over 18 but will have them available for use.
Oso,
Sounds like those two women have good potential to stay.
We’ve always had a problem retaining women. I stay because I love kung fu and I’ve been with the school for 9 years–I just automatically go there at certain times of the day.
It does hurt considerably more getting hit in the breast than the groin for me, but I’m pretty fast at avoiding or blocking hits to the chest, and I’ve built up a tolerance to it.
Your sifu’s school sounds like it does have a pretty high ratio of women. How many students total, do you know?
Golden Arms, Guile,
I do agree with you guys that if you’re training to fight, then you should train to take care of your entire body. So, I am getting good practice. I just found it odd that they only made contact with me there and they pull back when sparring another guy.
I never kept up with the total enrollment but in the 3 years I was his senior instructor a big night would have 25-30 people in line but usually it would be 15-20. This was in the 6:30 class for 0-3 year students. There was a 4:30 beginners class as well as an advanced class. plus kids and tai chi.
Would this site help?
I found better site.
http://www.kt.rim.or.jp/~tantan/
Dont miss the “Women Beat Men” section. Not Work Safe. Sorry.
Robinf.
In my class we are about 60/40 men and women.
Our rule is:
“What is good for the goose is good for the ganter”.
My style like many others practice "groin area " strikes, but I prefer to target the bladder.
IMO, for any attack you learn you also need to learn the counter.
Iron crotch could make this groin strike problem disappear.