Head (yang), fist (yang). Body (yin), palm (yin). It’s best not to use yang against yang. That’s why the only punches on the jong regardless of lineage, are to the body. All the strikes to the “head” use palms.
[QUOTE=anerlich;1163179]Yes, for some reason I have always imagined you with a small forehead.[/QUOTE]
Yep, and with a 45 degree slope on it
[QUOTE=GlennR;1163194]Yep, and with a 45 degree slope on it[/QUOTE]
He brother get out my pants…stop talking about my second head!
[QUOTE=Phil Redmond;1163183]Head (yang), fist (yang). Body (yin), palm (yin). It’s best not to use yang against yang. That’s why the only punches on the jong regardless of lineage, are to the body. All the strikes to the “head” use palms.[/QUOTE]
What about this video punching the dummy in the head?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvj3a4lanaQ
[QUOTE=anerlich;1163179]Yes, for some reason I have always imagined you with a small forehead.[/QUOTE]
No just got some big print…[SIZE=“6”]THUG LIFE[/SIZE]
[QUOTE=Phil Redmond;1163183]Head (yang), fist (yang). Body (yin), palm (yin). It’s best not to use yang against yang. That’s why the only punches on the jong regardless of lineage, are to the body. All the strikes to the “head” use palms.[/QUOTE]
I agree palm strikes are used to the head and punches to the body on the jong, but punching to he head is a very common technique. Even the basic Lop sao drill,I was told was to the head. Of couse it could be also to the body as well.
Punching to the face with a bare fist can be very painful for the guy doing the punching. Straight punches especially. A good hay-maker to the side of the head, well not so much.
Just my $.02
[QUOTE=stonecrusher69;1163318]I agree palm strikes are used to the head and punches to the body on the jong, but punching to he head is a very common technique. Even the basic Lop sao drill,I was told was to the head. Of couse it could be also to the body as well.[/QUOTE]
check this video out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvj3a4lanaQ
[QUOTE=desertwingchun2;1163319]Punching to the face with a bare fist can be very painful for the guy doing the punching. Straight punches especially. A good hay-maker to the side of the head, well not so much.
Just my $.02[/QUOTE]
lol have you ever punched someone in the face before?
Do you hit a punching bag and wall bag?
[QUOTE=Yoshiyahu;1163308] . . . .
What about this video punching the dummy in the head?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvj3a4lanaQ . . . .[/QUOTE]
I see that. In the YMWCK form there’s no punch to the head.
[QUOTE=stonecrusher69;1163318]I agree palm strikes are used to the head and punches to the body on the jong, but punching to he head is a very common technique. Even the basic Lop sao drill,I was told was to the head. Of couse it could be also to the body as well.[/QUOTE]
Sure, you can train you fists to punch to the head. The Japanese use a Makirawa board.
Btw, Tyson broke his hand hitting to the head in a street fight in Harlem.
[QUOTE=Phil Redmond;1163339]I see that. In the YMWCK form there’s no punch to the head.[/QUOTE]
Once the wing chun punch is properly developed you can punch wherever and whenever there is an open lime IMO.
Also in chum kiu after the last bong wu /kwan sequence there is a short and sweet Tyson like upper cut
joy chaudhuri
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Once the wing chun punch is properly developed you can punch wherever and whenever there is an open lime IMO.
Also in chum kiu after the last bong wu /kwan sequence there is a short and sweet Tyson like upper cut
joy chaudhuri[/QUOTE]
Not an upper cut. I know it looks like it…There are a lot of CK actions performed as the inception of attacks, iow the critical points are focused on at the starting point of geometric alignment prior to synchronized execution in later drills and fighting.
CK gives us a unity of facing, turning with elbow / hip focus. Not kata, like, and now I uppercut you from a bong sao while facing away from where I just bonged you…???
Its simply a sequence , a line of force re-centering and recovering the elbow from a raised elbow position of bong… slightly extending for a jut that follows refacing …same as SLT, tan goes slightly forwards, just so jut sao comes back from slight extension.
Because its done as we sharply align the hips in sync with the elbows, many assume its a ‘kata’ move or uppercut. Hip and elbow meet at the same time, not one before or after, dynamics along axis rotation/facing combined. Lot of power there with good timing.
The hip driving into the elbow is allowed to extend slightly so the ‘following’ jut sao with body axis rotation can jut ‘backwards’ from the slight extension of the previous action…no uppercuts in VT, we CUT through lines of force in an entirely different way.
its only my opinion , I know…
[QUOTE=k gledhill;1163359]Not an upper cut. I know it looks like it…its only my opinion , I know…[/QUOTE]
Ok, your WC doesn’t have an uppercut but some Wing Chun lineages do have an uppercut. It’s illogical to think that one WC lineage is “the” authority on all WC.
[QUOTE=Phil Redmond;1163365]Ok, your WC doesn’t have an uppercut but some Wing Chun lineages do have an uppercut. It’s illogical to think that one WC lineage is “the” authority on all WC.[/QUOTE]
We use cutting straight line intercepting punches and then …why would there be an uppercut in the last part of a form section just thrown in randomly ?
You know CK is SLT with movement, so where is the uppercut in the SLT ?
[QUOTE=JPinAZ;1162942]Does anyone here think it’s a good idea to punch people in the face …[/QUOTE]
Old Chinese saying said, “If you don’t hit your opponent’s head (not just face), you may have to fight him from sun raise until sun set”.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1163367]Old Chinese saying said, “If you don’t hit your opponent’s head (not just face), you may have to fight him from sun raise until sun set”.[/QUOTE]
good saying.
[QUOTE=k gledhill;1163366]We use cutting straight line intercepting punches and then …why would there be an uppercut in the last part of a form section just thrown in randomly ?
You know CK is SLT with movement, so where is the uppercut in the SLT ?[/QUOTE]
I’m watching a WSL CK vid now.Where is the arm break in SLT? Where are the kicks, the central line bong sao, the low bong sao? btw, there is no uppercut in my CK either. But that doesn’t mean other WC people are wrong if they use it.
[QUOTE=Phil Redmond;1163384]I’m watching a WSL CK vid now.Where is the arm break in SLT? Where are the kicks, the central line bong sao, the low bong sao? btw, there is no uppercut in my CK either. But that doesn’t mean other WC people are wrong if they use it.[/QUOTE]
Kicking is bridging a gap…
Jut and tan can be a Jip sao combination, each in SLT. But its a ‘move’ not the primary reason for the dual action of a jut over a tan.
There is only ONE bong sao, guided by logic of use at any degree of variation in the arc of its useful motion, RELATIVE to the height of the person and the attacking limb to yours, etc…not 3 bongs, its unlimited bongs Where and why is decided by your opponent not thought of high ? low? no middle, no wait ! 45 deg raising shifting , refacing another way bong …doh !
Glad to hear you dont do an uppercut too ; ) our elbows find center as they reach the apex of the turns to unify forces, train balance with movement and ballistic force.
LOL @ the invincible streets and punching street fighters in the face 
those guys have guns!
but hadoukens > guns 
[QUOTE=k gledhill;1163366]We use cutting straight line intercepting punches and then …why would there be an uppercut in the last part of a form section just thrown in randomly ?
It’s ok for you to do it your way. Pointless to comment on others when you don’t understand what they do. The so called uppercut is not thrown in at random in the chum kiu form. When the bong comes down into the sinking motion the forward drilling trajectory easily can continue into a short power punch to the face with the chor ma/ chum kiu. Good mechanics and flow is the key.
joy chaudhuri
[QUOTE=Vajramusti;1163394][QUOTE=k gledhill;1163366]We use cutting straight line intercepting punches and then …why would there be an uppercut in the last part of a form section just thrown in randomly ?
It’s ok for you to do it your way. Pointless to comment on others when you don’t understand what they do. The so called uppercut is not thrown in at random in the chum kiu form. When the bong comes down into the sinking motion the forward drilling trajectory easily can continue into a short power punch to the face with the chor ma/ chum kiu. Good mechanics and flow is the key.
joy chaudhuri[/QUOTE]
Not an upper cut … In SLT , dan chi-sao, chi-sao…CK…MYJ…We all do a bong and the drop the elbow to center to strike from center…same throughout the system. For a reason.
NO altered action just for random uppercut idea.
Saying ‘shut up and mind your own business’ wont change the fact
[QUOTE=k gledhill;1163397][QUOTE=Vajramusti;1163394]
Not an upper cut … In SLT , dan chi-sao, chi-sao…CK…MYJ…We all do a bong and the drop the elbow to center to strike from center…same throughout the system. For a reason.
NO altered action just for random uppercut idea.
Saying ‘shut up and mind your own business’ wont change the fact :D[/QUOTE]
Won’t change your perception. True!!
joy chaudhuri