Ok - with it being understood that a fight should end as quickly as possible, and with good reading skills one should only need a single, well placed punch, what do you consider your TOP three techniques to train and become exceptional at?
The key to understanding is to open your mind and your heart and then the eyes will follow.
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Training a certain technique or a group of techniques assumes that you will have a predetermined scenario, which most likely will never be the case when the reality of a fight is occuring. It is better to train and understand principles so the artist can compose destruction impromptu, drawing from an infinite arsenal. JMHO.
So…
While I can appreciate what you are saying here, do mean to tell me that you can master every single technique in Wing Chun? And can you do this hopefully before the need to fight for your life arises?
As for training techniques in groups, what do you consider SLT, CK, and BJ? Are these forms not techniques in groups?
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Technique or concept
Hello,
I think that if you fully grasp the concepts of the art you will find that technique will flow naturally. However, to do this will take time and a great deal of practice. Until you can reach this level I would opt for training the following:
Taun Sau/Gaun Sau and Pak Sau and of course the punch 
By drilling these three “techniques” with punching you will have a fairly good defense against “most” attacks to above the waist. In addition to these you should practice footwork and even some kicking. But, if you wanted my top three it would be Taun/Gaun/Pak Da.
As an interesting side note many of the top Judoka in the Olympics, while knowing a full range of techniques, will have two or three favorites which they use the majority of the time. While it is better to be well rounded, it could be more efficient to train in a few techniques a lot rather than many a little. Just a thought.
Peace,
Dave
Sihing73
Thanks for the great post! I was actually asking each individual what their top three favorite or most trained techniques are.
I agree that over a great period of time one should become very proficient at all of the techniques. This is definitely obtained over time not to mention an individual’s top three techniques may change due to age, proficiency, or necessity.
There are always cases where opponents will do something out of the norm, but the usual foe will either lead with a punch, a kick, or a shoot to the legs or the body as a whole. I suppose that I am just trying to see what everyone feels is their most essential techniques against the norm.
Once again thanks for the great post.
Continues blessings in your life and your training.
The key to understanding is to open your mind and your heart and then the eyes will follow.
All this talk of techniques reminds me of a story my master told.
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Many years ago, a seventh dan karate master from japan interrupted one of Sifu’s classes to challenge the one inch punch. He threw a strike at Sifu. Sifu just lifted his arm to deflect the punch, then reached in quickly to catch him as he fell. The Japanese master was astonished and asked Sifu what technique he had used. Sifu Answered, “no technique - I just raised my arm”.
Ummmmm…
Does this mean that you do not consider Wing Chun to have techniques?
Or are you just implying that with time it is just a learned response (automatic ‘firing’ of a technique)?
Continued blessings with life and with training.
The key to understanding is to open your mind and your heart and then the eyes will follow.
no techniques?
To me, what I get from that story, is that true wing chun is no longer a set of techniques or an external method of tools to stop an attack. It becomes an inherent and spontaneous reaction, simply put, it is the most comforatble and natural reaction from that particular stimulus.
That is is what Im seeing. What he did to a student, may have been fak sau, Biu sau, or whatever…but to the master, he just raised him arm. Great wording. I like that.
“From one thing know ten thousand” - Miyomato Musashi, Book of five rings
“Loy lau hoi sung, lut sau jik chung”
Don’t lose sight…
To say that TRUE Wing Chun is no longer techniques but reaction is incorrect. Becoming proficient in Wing Chun simply means that one can use the techniques without thinking about them - they have become an instinct. But do not lose sight - they are still techniques!
To assume that one is so proficient that they are just responses instead of technique assumes that there is nothing more to work on in your Wing Chun.
Is there an end to what you can do with Wing Chun? Is there not always something to improve upon? A technique or ‘move’ perhaps?
When starting out in Wing Chun do you learn reactions or techniques? Reactions are just techniques practiced so long that the brain automatically fires the technique when needed.
Let’s stop trying to sound like a philosophical ‘master’ who answers without answering! If you cannot answer the question then there is no need to post.
Continued blessings in your life and your training.
The key to understanding is to open your mind and your heart and then the eyes will follow.
In my view, the true essence of Wing Chun is not the techniques, but the ability to generate and put power in those techniques.
The story that I had shared illustrates this. Sigung was able to send the Japanese Master back, and neutralise the strike because of the power he was able to generate in the motion of his arm, not because of any specific technique.
For example, in training we learn how to absorb force, but would you call this a specfic technique? The ability to absorb energy can be applied to almost all techniques, but is the process of absorbing oncomming force an actual technique? In my view the answer is no.
IMHO…
It should not be our objective to absorb energy but to pass or redirect the energy. That does take a technique.
The key to understanding is to open your mind and your heart and then the eyes will follow.
IMHO,
Our objective in Wing Chun is to maximise the use of our body mass, as a single coordinated unit.
That is, our entire body weight being projected and focused at a single point on our opponent.
There is no technique for that.
… but that’s just what I think.
Spectre, although I do not propogate learning 3 favorite techniques, as I believe that all techniques should be given equal attention, if I were to recommend 3 techniques, these are the three I would recommend:
I can see…
I understand where most of you are coming from when you say that we should not just focus on three techniques. We should be able to perform all techniques competently.
However - if someone had an injury to their shoulder, they may not be able to perform the Bong Sau in such a way as to use it as a mainstay technique. So this person may have to compensate by using a different technique which comlements their physical attributes.
As for me - I know which three techniques I prefer right now but that could also change later. My choices may change with age, physical ability, modifications, etc.
I cannot believe that in sparring or real life situations that individuals cannot pick out techniques that they use over others. Do you use a Lop Da over a Taun Da more or less?
This topic was not a means as to educate myself as to what I should study - it is just a topic of curiosity.
Continued blessings in your life and training.
The key to understanding is to open your mind and your heart and then the eyes will follow.
TAN,BONG,FUK
Gary. :eek:
Spectre
I agree with Fai Jai, the progression of the Wing Chun System is to teach the structure, technique and other tools to then exercise them in your Chi Sao, which then go back to your forms in a cycle. This is to help understand Principles and theories.
When one reaches the Non classical level, all there exists is Principles and Theories, no longer techniques. Techniques become one in favor of results.
Hope this is Understandable.
So Roy…
So by the sound of your explanation, you feel as if you have reached a level of being ‘one with your results’ as a progression into principles and theories. Am I understanding yet? My apologies if I am coming across as a bit slow on this.
I can only assume that when you refer to non-classical you are saying that you have surpassed the basics and are in a phase where you are making Wing Chun your own system - tailor made if you will.
We will have to agree to disagree on the terms for technique. I understand that you see them as mere responses that do not require physical thought. I see it as it’s simplest form - a technique. Example - you can see a house - but break it down to it’s simplest form and you will always get a brick.
My only followup question is this: If you get into a fight (Understanding that you should never find yourself in one to begin with)and get the snot kicked out of you - what do you work on if there is no longer techniques?
No disrespect meant in my posts btw - just curiousity.
Continued blessings in your life and your training.
The key to understanding is to open your mind and your heart and then the eyes will follow.
techniques
“throw the techniques out the window” was said by my sifu. 
“what do you work on if there is no longer techniques?”
back to your bricks…