[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1087746]How to train bitting?
beginner level - get a raw pig leg and sink your teeth all he way to the bone.
intemediate level - try to bite a live snake’s head off, or a life dog’s leg off.
advantage stage - go to the zoo and try your skill against a life lion or tiger.[/QUOTE]
Hahahaha…:D:D:D:D
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hahahaha, this would make for some good advertising. 
teh deadly.
i do believe it is important for realistic martial artists to think about this.
break down, how i see it. technique, application, effect, usage.
if i go backwards. you learn to use the technique under resistant pressure by applying standard similar techniques in a free fighting format. you can test the effects of your techniques through various means using training equipment, controlled application or even, depending on how serious you are, you can apply some techniques to dead animal flesh. as for application and technique, teaching these follows the same guidelines you use to teach anything in MA.
its the usage and effect people wonder most about. once you get to the point where you feel you are confident in applying your most common fighting techniques in a free fight, then all that is left is do you know your techniques will have the desired effect once you apply them?
for this its pretty much all just conditioning. if you cannot put your fingers into a steak, why bother even thinking about a living throat…if you cannot rend and tear a feathered turkey…then why bother with a face? personally i would rather use tools to maim.
None of this was usually an issue in the “old says” since by the time you learned the "too deadlY’ were had already developed the skills ( via fighting) you need to apply the “too deadly” so you didn’t have to worry about whether you could.
condemned criminals should still be used for martial arts studies.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1087756]None of this was usually an issue in the “old says” since by the time you learned the "too deadlY’ were had already developed the skills ( via fighting) you need to apply the “too deadly” so you didn’t have to worry about whether you could.[/QUOTE]
totally, and honestly it shouldnt be an issue even today…
i just modify alot of the “too deadly attacks” to land on legal spots
i figure if i want to fight “dirty” ill just be able to do it if i need to and from my small street fighting experience i didnt have a hard time alternating from legal to dirty
for example in the Saifa bunkai there is a move where you grab the hair and pull them into an upper cut.Obviously in most fight settings you cant pull the hair so i just grab the back of the head or neck and i got legal dirty boxing in mma
[QUOTE=goju;1087761]dirty boxing[/QUOTE]
There is “dirty throwing” as well. In the following move (at 0.03), if you just sit down on your opponent’s right knee instead of step your left leg forward, you can send him to emergency room for knee operation.
I usually just go to the shooting range. In theory- paintball and airsoft should also make good substitutes for training the too deadly techniques.
Youknowwho already knows the answer to this first question…
IE, how many “no rules” fights do you think Chang Dung Sheng had? The guy was a military officer and sort of state police as well. He had plenty. Yet he still seemed to think that basic and straight forward worked. He was not an advocate of chi blasts, dim mak, etc
In Brazil for quite a long time they really were “no rules” / vale tudo… there is plenty of kung fu in Brazil, but no one stepped into the ring to dim mak any of those guys
Some people will stick their fingers in their ears and go “na na” over and over again, doesn’t change the basic truth
i dim mak everything
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In Brazil for quite a long time they really were “no rules” / vale tudo… there is plenty of kung fu in Brazil, but no one stepped into the ring to dim mak any of those guys[/quote]
Sounds like when it started it was a fairly localized phenomena:
“From 1960 onwards, vale tudo would remain an underground sub-culture, with most of the fights taking place in martial arts dojos or small gymnasiums.[citation needed] The vale tudo sub-culture was mainly based in Rio de Janeiro, but many fights also took place in the northern region, as well as the southern region and the Bahia state, where Capoeira is prevalent. The scene in Rio de Janeiro focused mainly on the intense rivalry between Brazilian jiu-jitsu and Luta Livre, whereas fights in the other regions featured more diverse martial arts competing in the events.[citation needed]”
Just so we know what we’re talking about, here are MMA rules:
The following are fouls, as set out by the Nevada State Athletic Commission:[4]
* Butting with the head
* Eye gouging of any kind
* Biting
* Hair pulling
* Fish hooking
* Groin attacks of any kind
* Putting a finger into any orifice or into any cut or laceration on an opponent. (see Gouging)
* Small joint manipulation
* Striking to the spine or the back of the head (see Rabbit punch)
* Striking downward using the point of the elbow (see Elbow strike)
* Throat strikes of any kind, including, without limitation, grabbing the trachea
* Clawing, pinching or twisting the flesh
* Grabbing the clavicle
* Kicking the head of a grounded opponent
* Kneeing the head of a grounded opponent
* Stomping a grounded opponent
* Kicking to the kidney with the heel
* Spiking an opponent to the canvas on his head or neck. (see Piledriver)
* Throwing an opponent out of the ring or fenced area
* Holding the shorts or gloves of an opponent
In training, we hit the sandbags full power with the charp chui (stabbing panther fist).
Small bag, big bag, light bag, heavy bag. Conditioning, accuracy, power + destructive penetration training.
In sparring we may put on the gloves and use flat punches.
Bareknuckle sparring, same thing. Agree to use the charp chui at times, but it is kept light to prevent serious damage.
In self-defense situation, instead of punching them in the face, punch them in the throat.
It is not a matter of “not training” for these techniques. It is a matter of using them in a safe manner, and CONDITIONING. If your finger strikes are weak and brittle you think you will hurt someone? That is ridiculous.
If we can’t even hit a guy in the face with a regular punch then what right do we have saying we can hit people in the throat with a panther fist. That is stupid.
[QUOTE=Eric Olson;1087778]Sounds like when it started it was a fairly localized phenomena:
“From 1960 onwards, vale tudo would remain an underground sub-culture, with most of the fights taking place in martial arts dojos or small gymnasiums.[citation needed] The vale tudo sub-culture was mainly based in Rio de Janeiro, but many fights also took place in the northern region, as well as the southern region and the Bahia state, where Capoeira is prevalent. The scene in Rio de Janeiro focused mainly on the intense rivalry between Brazilian jiu-jitsu and Luta Livre, whereas fights in the other regions featured more diverse martial arts competing in the events.[citation needed]”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vale_tudo[/QUOTE]
Not only are you sourcing from Wikipedia, even wiki thinks it needs more sources.[citation needed]
[QUOTE=wenshu;1087786]Not only are you sourcing from Wikipedia, even wiki thinks it needs more sources.[citation needed][/QUOTE]
Ooh, you got me. Here all this time I though Wikipedia was authoritative. :rolleyes:
Look, wikipedia isn’t the best source, but it’s a good place to start.
EO
[I]How to train bitting?
beginner level - get a raw pig leg and sink your teeth all he way to the bone.[/I]
ok, that is a health risk. Undercooked pork can give you trichinosis (sp?)
[I]intemediate level - try to bite a live snake’s head off, or a life dog’s leg off.
advantage stage - go to the zoo and try your skill against a life lion or tiger.[/I]
Mas Oyama killed bulls, or yaks, or some freakin cow-thing.
William “Thunderbolt” Chow killed a horse with a single punch.
So did Ku Yu Cheong.
I will do that.
I will probably start out with something more manageable, like a bunny,
then work my way up to a cat, or toy dogs like a poodle or a bichon frise.
[QUOTE=Lucas;1087776]i dim mak everything[/QUOTE]
and that’s why your balls are withered and now you need the special jow AND the old man who applies it for you.
bwahahahaha.
you have to learn the ways of the soft man.
i think you should be able to kick downed opponent. why not?
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1087795]and that’s why your balls are withered and now you need the special jow AND the old man who applies it for you.
bwahahahaha.
you have to learn the ways of the soft man.
:D[/QUOTE]
too bad i dim mak that old man for trying to touch my balls :eek: