Practical weapons

Very good Post!

I only disagree with the way you brought it up in the first place. Instead of making a point you seemed to take a side door that was critical of people who spend time to learn classical weapons in their martial training. If you had made this the original post I might have debated, (for debates sake, mind you) that it takes so much time away from your training to become expert at some modern weapons which have no benefit to your traditional style and I am training martial arts so that I can stop a fight before it gets to the point of deadly solution. or whatever.

But I love the metal whip and it does have traditional benefits as well as practical ones. I always have a chain with me when I am walking the dogs at night. (but then I have the dogs too :slight_smile: I learned a Cane set once. By practicing the form again and again it became a part of me. It just flows in my hands like a natural extension for hitting and grabbing. To date, it is THE ONLY weapon I have ever used against another person in a street confrontation besides hands and feet. It may be the most practical weapon of all. I have NEVER made the argument that I learned the cane by learning sword or saber. If there are any similarities in the set, it is only by coincidence. The set just taught me how to move with the cane, but it was up to me to spend time with it and develop it’s actual usage. Give me a cane against a knife any day! I hate knives. Knife against knife is stupid. Someone is gonna die and no one is gonna come out without a scratch. But learning the knife as a traditional weapon did teach me about the possibilities.

Your last post is an excellent one and I would be interested in doing more research to get actual statistics. We learn about gun in our classes too. We must know what ranges our techniques might be effective and when a person actually knows what they are doing with a gun and just get down on your knees and pray. We frequently get “law enforcement personal” in our class for training and they all agree with what you are saying. But I have not seen any documented studies with accurate findings to support it. So I too, will be doing some research.

I think the self defense aspect of our training IS the most important aspect of all. Unless you are going to be a teacher or a professional fighter, you do not need to learn every classical movement of a style. There are only so many hours in a day, and they should be hours well spent. But if you intend to teach someone else you should master your system first.
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At Last

With all that out of the way, Now i’ll write.
I agree with you Count, I hate Knives also.
But, with the average person behind that Knive,
I have no fear. He’s just swinging in the air trying to get lucky,Like most bare fisted fights.

My Favorite Weapon is the Spear. my weapon of specialty is the DeerHorn. In NY in the Winter
With the right clothes, you can walk the street with with DeerHorns. Depending on my mood, I’ve been doing it for years.

But being purly practical,
The Judges Pen, The Chainwhip, the cane and all within hands reach. anything is a weapon in a true Martial Artist hands.
Also, How could I forget. Years ago My Sifu introduced me to the fan. A perfect weapon in the summer. And every summer I walk with mine.
The steel one wraped in silk. The fan works perfectly with the palms of Ba-Gua.

Well Just my piece.

Peace
Maoshan

Ahhh, never seen bagua with a fan…

Now that’s something I would like to see! Hey Maoshan, I’m working on deerhorns right now. I’m really lovin’em!
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cane

count,
i just finished learning our northern shaolin cane set, and i agree with you that the cane is an awesome weapon… if you don’t mind my asking, i’d be interested to know how you fared with it in a confrontation.

Interesting battle won by technique

Over a parking place dispute a huge guy grabbed me by the throat with both hands and pulled me out of my car. I had the cane by my side and I took it in my hand. I hooked from underneath and locked him across both arms perfectly, set up to swing across his face. At that point, the guy was hurt and backed off making some lame excuse about not being able to fight a cripple guy. He assumed I was crippled because of the cane. So you see it was not only an effective defense and offense but the cane gave me a psychological advantage too. BTW, a large crowd saw the whole thing and applauded. Gave me a huge ego rush, and I took a bow! Got the parking place too.
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