Not lost at all and still part of our curriculum although most people will never reach it.
I’m very curious to see someone doing this form. I learned the Chan family version, and they say the Lee Koon Hung family version is bigger and more dynamic. I’ve never had the chance to watch someone do it; I believe it’s a form that people don’t care about doing or passing on…
I don’t think people don’t care it’s more people simply don’t know about it. I have taught a few people the set over the years. It is very long and demanding. Lots of double kick combinations.
To be completely honest and realistic, I’ve never seen anyone from the LKH or TMW branch perform this technique… unfortunately… I even believe it exists, but nowadays it seems like a fallacy… In the Chan family, this form exists (I even made some pieces), but the method is very different from the lineage I’m in… and from what I understand, it has greatly increased my curiosity to see someone from the LKH branch doing this…
Certain forms just don’t get put on the internet. I can’t think of anyone that I know in your line (Wong Tat Mau) that knows it. I didn’t learn this from Lee Koon Hung but rather Li Siu Hung.
Actually, I’m not currently in a lineage, but I got curious… Some colleagues and I started studying Choy Lay Fut more deeply and realized that our lineage was a bit incomplete… We managed to add more forms to it and better level the phases… (Baat Gwa Sum, Mui Fa Baat Gwa, Siu Baat Gwa, Fut Jeong, Chun Chau Dai Do and others) and this form (Bak Mo) caught our attention… because our lineage didn’t have it, but from what I understand it exists… we just don’t know it.
Siu Baat Kwa isn’t part of the LKH lineage. I myself picked up a few sets outside of our lineage such as Mahn Gee Kuen, Fut Jeurng (different from our Fut Gar Jeung), Yee Jong Baat Kwa Kuen and Daht Ting Baat Kwa Kuen.
I understand, I’ve seen Master Li Siu Hung perform Manh Geet Kuen, even in a seminar in Brazil… But are these others from the Chan family lineage? Manh Geet (what is its origin) and Fut Gar are other forms? For me, Siu Ba Gwa was from our lineage…
Yee Jong and Daht Ting are also from another family; I discovered there are 9 “Ba Gwa” forms. I know 3: Siu Bagwa, Mui Fa Bagwa, and Bagwa Sum. I only knew these others by name…
But in fact, the form that has most caught my attention is Bak Mo… I would like to see that one.
The only Baat Kwa sets LKH taught were Baat Kwa Sum and Mui Fa Baat Kwa. He did not teach a Siu Baat Kwa set. Wong Doc Fai does I believe as does Chan Family but in the LKH line only 2 Baat Gwa sets. Others I have picked up my KF brother who learned them from Wong Gong. Mahn Gee Kuen we learned from our Sigung in Hong Kong and it’s from the Ho Ngau lineage.
Okay… What is Lee Koon Hung’s relationship with HoNgau?
From what I understand, Master Lee trained with Chow Bing, Leung Sai, and Poon Sing at the Poon Dik school. Later with So Kam Fook and Leung Siu Kuen (I know a little about the techniques of the wooden dummy, Ching Jong).
And also Yum Yim Cho (I know absolutely nothing about him… I don’t even know which lineage he comes from hahaha). But HoNgau? Who was he?
Wong Gong from the Jiangmen lineage?
Mahn Gee Kuen is not connected with LKH at all. Our Sihing in HK learned the set from a friend from the Ho Ngau lineage at then he taught it to us. Ho Ngau was famous for his wooden dummy book.
And yes Wong Gong from the Kong Mun/Jiangmen lineage. I know 3 sets from that line: Daht Ting Baat Kwa, Fut Jeurng Kuen and Mui Fah Cheung Kwun.
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Sifu learned most of the base forms from Leung Sai and Chow Bing (not really much at all from Poon Sing) More of the advanced forms came from So Kam Fook (Bak Mo Kuen, Fu Pow Kuen, Baat Kwa Sum and Ching Jong are some examples). After that Shek Kim’s northern stuff
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That’s great to know about the origin of these techniques; you have a lot of knowledge. Here where I am, we don’t have any notion of that, we just do it, hahaha.
Now, a sincere question: how do you view this difference in lineage and family? There are many masters who don’t like to mix with others; how do you see that?
Ah yes, Shek Kin was excellent, Santiekwun is sensational, they are my ace today hahaha. The spear is also quite cool, Won Hop Cheung.
I respect all lineages and families. I have always viewed CLF as one family (Choy Lay Fut Yut Gar). There will always be differences in how individuals do things and I have no problems with that.
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what would yut be? in choy lay fut YUT gar…
Both sets are very good. The way you do Saam Jeet Kwun is slightly different than how we do it.
Yes, in Santiekwun, i know three versions of this method; today I’m making a fourth, my own, hahaha…
A lot of your sets have slight variations as each Sifu tends to make a set their own.
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