I’ve heard that too, but have no proof of it.
RTB - good post.
Iron,
There’s some supplements and you can also use fiber to “clean you out.” From experience, I’d have to say it’s true that there is a lot of matter that gets left in your intestines. I doubt it’s just red meat. After a acycle of fiber or one of those supps, you do feel a difference.
Meat has fat in it. Fat slows down the digestion process.
Fat is not bad for you.
Just wanted to add those points.
Also, Dragon Warrior, I think your assessment of protein from grains is off. Regardless…you must only count complete sources of protein, as there are also incomplete sources, which are generally found in fruits, veggies and grains.
El pietro
The body can make it’s own protein. What you need from food is the essential amino acids, and nitrogen. With these ingredients the body can easily make its own protein.
Of course you can count incomplete sources of protein because when you eat various types of foods, often you are eating complete protein. Very well known examples of this are rice and beans, corn and peas, etc. Each is not a complete protein but when combined with other foods bla bla bla.
Also, why do you think my assessment of the grains is off. I am averaging about 4 grams of protein in a serving of grains. In 11 servings that is about 44 grams. Some grains have more protein per serving.
Also, 3oz’s of meat contains 22 grams of protein, so 9 ounces should contain 66. So in his plan there should be much more than enough protein.
IMHO anymore than 100 grams of high quality protein is not needed by the body, even if you work out super hard.
yeah, when combined with certain foods, they will form proteins.
you can’t really make the assumption you made about meat, because you dont know what meat I’m eating.
1 gram of progtein per pound of bodyweight is fine for maintenance, but if you are trying to gain muscle, 1.5 - 2 is ideal.
Originally posted by Dragon Warrior
[B]El pietro
The body can make it’s own protein. What you need from food is the essential amino acids, and nitrogen. With these ingredients the body can easily make its own protein.
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Your logic is flawed here. Essential Amino Acids are created FROM protein. So protein is broken down into it’s amino acid parts. The term essential in dieting means that your body cannot produce it on it’s own, so therefore, it’s ESSENTIAL that you consume it in your diet. Your body cannot make protein from nothing. It can make protein by combining aminos, but this is a very rare case, and you still would need to somehow get all the amino acids in you that your body doesn’t produce.
Remember that protein is a very important macronutrient for your body. It forms the building block of all our tissue. You can survive off pretty much zero carbs, you may get grumpy, sluggish etc, but you will live for the most part. Maybe after a while something will become so depleted that you keel over…but without protein your body will be functioning rather poorly…and if you are actually trying to get stronger, or add muscle you might as well forget about it.
I don’t know why people resist protein so much. As if it’s bad for you or something. Perhaps they simply don’t understand the role each macronutrient plays in your body. All 3 have their place and if you are active you should be consuming a much higher amount of protein than you normally would.
El pietro
There are nine ESSENTIAL amino acids that the body cannot produce on it’s own. These the body most get from food.
The other 11 amino acids the body produces on it’s own from food that you eat. This means that your body can break down the food you eat and form these nonessential amino acids. What you need from protein sources to do this is nitrogen. Your body produces the nonessential amino acids using the nitrogen you get from protein sources in your diet.
What you need from protein is the essential amino acids and nitrogen, it’s that simple.
Do you need 2grams of protein for every lbs of body weight, absolutely not.
IMO a 100 grams of high quality protein is more than enough for anybody.
I am not downplaying the role of protein, i know how important protein is. But too much is not good for you either, ecspecially from meat sources. Too much meat can acidify the body, making you suseptible to infections, and bone loss.
Originally posted by Dragon Warrior
[B]What you need from protein is the essential amino acids and nitrogen, it’s that simple.
Do you need 2grams of protein for every lbs of body weight, absolutely not.
IMO a 100 grams of high quality protein is more than enough for anybody.
I am not downplaying the role of protein, i know how important protein is. But too much is not good for you either, ecspecially from meat sources. Too much meat can acidify the body, making you suseptible to infections, and bone loss. [/B]
Ok I don’t really care what you need it for…the fact that you need it is the point. You are stating facts that have no relevance with your nitrogen and amino comments. I know what protein is used for…so I don’t really see how it matters in this case.
You are free to have your own opinion and eat whatever you want. I disagree with your estimate on how much you need. You have no clue how much someone needs, as I’m sure it’s dependent on size. So your fixed amount of 50 or 100g versus someone going by your bodyweight or lean bodyweight…which seems more logical to you? I would certainly love to hear how you figured out this acidity, infection and bone loss BS though. First of all, please tell me how acidity works? Your body automatically works to counter any changes in pH balance so I don’t see how this has any impact whatsoever. I guess milk which is basic is bad for you too since it would do the opposite, or citric fruits as they are acidic. Feel free to show me the infection and bone loss stuff too. So many ignorant people really read so many BS statements made by people that read studies and have no clue what they say, or all the BS on this or that is bad. I think there’s a study showing every single thing we eat is bad for us…then new research disproves, and vice versa. There is so much red meat propaganda out there it makes me laugh. Oh well…what others eat don’t really concern me. Eat your limited protein and mass amounts of veggies and grains and continue being weak and smaller than you are genetically able if you wish…
I have to agree with EP here. Dragon, it sounds like you may be the victim of some bad information. Don’t take my word for it. Do some seriuous research and you will find the truth.
I’ll think i’ll do that El Pietro
You eat 300 grams of protein, ill stick to 100.
I’m suprised that you guys dont know about acidity and alkaline levels in the body. Certain foods we eat can cause the body to become more acidic or alkaline. Citrus Fruits actually digest to become alkaline, but anyway, im not going to talk about this with you since you do not seem interested.
Your body automatically works to counter any changes in pH balance so I don’t see how this has any impact whatsoever.
What do you think, that this just magically happens.
When the body is to acidic it extracts calcium from the bones to neutaralize the acidity. That is why green vegatables are so important, they naturally make the body more alkaline. But dont worry about this bull****, i have no clue what im talking about. Keep on eating large amounts of meat and white bread, who needs vegetables and whole grains.
Originally posted by Dragon Warrior
i have no clue what im talking about.
Woohoo! We finally agree on something!!! 
Oh and please don’t make foolish assumptions or put words in my mouth. Where did I say anything about only eating meat and white bread? In fact, where did I mention white bread at all? And while I’m at it, when did I say I don’t eat vegetables or grains? Perhaps you should actually read what I type instead of think you know what I said. You will learn a lot by doing this. 
Oh and by the way, I supplement calcium quite a bit. Why, not because of acidity levels, but because heavy weight training will cause an overall increase in bone density, which requires calcium to build. So we could go your route, but I’d rather have strong muscles and strong dense bones that won’t be brittle and break in my old age…
what kind of calcium do you take??