[QUOTE=LoneTiger108;1168206]I have and it looks like, from your clips, that you have just been reading something else too!
Both clips do not show the unique Wing Chun Choone Ging at all, unless you take the approach of John and believe inch force is in everything you do. Maybe every strike can have an ‘inch force peak’ at the end of a right hook for example, but this isn’t the ultimate purpose of learning the method.
I liked Kevs expression actually (how surprising!) but still not exactly how I would describe it’s ‘use’ ;)[/QUOTE]
Show me a practical application of what you are saying.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1168195]And I answered.
The clips above show ( highlight) the PRACTICAL application of short distance striking and one even does it while moving BACKWARDS.
And they do it without silly terms or archaic mumble jumbo that is no more than double talk from people that like to hear themselves speak.[/QUOTE]
Ok.
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These are your view. But others have theirs.
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Not all Short distance striking Are the same. And there are Atleast 3 types of different short distance striking Mechanics.
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WCK has its terminology it’s mechanics , similar to every culture has its own tradition. If you don’t like that that is fine.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1168207]Show me a practical application of what you are saying.[/QUOTE]
I have nothing for you of myself but I am looking through some clips to highlight how it is ‘used’ and finding some interesting comparisons.
Leave it with me…
[QUOTE=Hendrik;1168125]
Wing Chun 1850, there are lots of things and very scientific if using today’s language to describe them. too bad one get into all kind of guessing game such as Nim Lik and Qi Power causing even more confusion.
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What are going on about 1850 Wing Chun for? Were you there? Where have you read this stuff? How is this actually relevant?
The article:
http://www.wingchuntaoist.com/2012/04/one-inch-punch-in-wing-chun.html
Shows a demonstration for short range power and how to use Wing Chun to train and develop it.
Does is not? Is it not a demonstration of short range power and something that looks genuine?
[QUOTE=LoneTiger108;1168206]I have and it looks like, from your clips, that you have just been reading something else too!
Both clips do not show the unique Wing Chun Choone Ging at all, unless you take the approach of John and believe inch force is in everything you do. Maybe every strike can have an ‘inch force peak’ at the end of a right hook for example, but this isn’t the ultimate purpose of learning the method.
I liked Kevs expression actually (how surprising!) but still not exactly how I would describe it’s ‘use’ ;)[/QUOTE]
I agree on the clips.
Kevin’s has a good WCK view.
[QUOTE=thedreamer7;1168216]What are going on about 1850 Wing Chun for? Were you there? Where have you read this stuff? How is this actually relevant?
The article:
http://www.wingchuntaoist.com/2012/04/one-inch-punch-in-wing-chun.html
Shows a demonstration for short range power and how to use Wing Chun to train and develop it.
Does is not? Is it not a demonstration of short range power and something that looks genuine?[/QUOTE]
The clip is a demo expressing a person idea on inch punch . Is it or is it WCK inch power that is a different story.
If you applied Kevin idea or the basket ball test, you will see the different of this clip.
[QUOTE=LoneTiger108;1168215]I have nothing for you of myself but I am looking through some clips to highlight how it is ‘used’ and finding some interesting comparisons.
Leave it with me…[/QUOTE]
Sure, I would love to see your opinion on the matter.
I know that you guys really WANT to THINK that these is a uniqueness to “WC inch power”, much like SPM peeps and Pak Mei dudes want to think the same thing about theirs, but the harsh reality is this:
Show it in practical terms and you will see that is NOT the case.
The human body works the way it works, period.
[QUOTE=thedreamer7;1168216]What are going on about 1850 Wing Chun for? Were you there? Where have you read this stuff? How is this actually relevant?
The article:
http://www.wingchuntaoist.com/2012/04/one-inch-punch-in-wing-chun.html
Shows a demonstration for short range power and how to use Wing Chun to train and develop it.
Does is not? Is it not a demonstration of short range power and something that looks genuine?[/QUOTE]
Actually I have just realized this is Sifu Leo and yes his standard is very good, but this is his students blog in NYC? No wonder he’s getting it in the neck!! :eek:
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1168220]I know that you guys really WANT to THINK that these is a uniqueness to “WC inch power”, much like SPM peeps and Pak Mei dudes want to think the same thing about theirs, but the harsh reality is this:
Show it in practical terms and you will see that is NOT the case.
The human body works the way it works, period.[/QUOTE]
Well, I know you want to think that it isn’t, but I know that the way WCK that I was taught trains and utilizes inch force IS different than most other examples I see. Like Hendriks Basketball analogy. This suggests that there is a flowing contact that kind of rolls (as the ball rolls through the hand) until it hits the peak of the players fingers and then that last little/inch ‘dig’ to throw the ball. This IS inch force, but it is using a ‘build up’ or sorts.
I found this example of some Judo throws and IMHHHO the exact same principle is clearly evident http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3HisfQ3jL8
Not quite the same as your punching/elbow clips, but again not exactly how the Wing Chun I know expresses this method. We can do it, without the build up being SEEN (supposedly!)
But there, I tried!!!
[QUOTE=LoneTiger108;1168221]Actually I have just realized this is Sifu Leo and yes his standard is very good, but this is his students blog in NYC? No wonder he’s getting it in the neck!! :eek:[/QUOTE]
What do you mean by that?
[QUOTE=LoneTiger108;1168225]Well, I know you want to think that it isn’t, but I know that the way WCK that I was taught trains and utilizes inch force IS different than most other examples I see. Like Hendriks Basketball analogy. This suggests that there is a flowing contact that kind of rolls (as the ball rolls through the hand) until it hits the peak of the players fingers and then that last little/inch ‘dig’ to throw the ball. This IS inch force, but it is using a ‘build up’ or sorts.
I found this example of some Judo throws and IMHHHO the exact same principle is clearly evident http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3HisfQ3jL8
Not quite the same as your punching/elbow clips, but again not exactly how the Wing Chun I know expresses this method. But there, I tried!!![/QUOTE]
I am not talking about drilling it or developing it but EXPRESSING it in a fight.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1168228]I am not talking about drilling it or developing it but EXPRESSING it in a fight.[/QUOTE]
But do you get where I am coming from with regards to the differences?? Because if you do you should be able to find me a clip of something similar being used in a fight!!!
[QUOTE=thedreamer7;1168227]What do you mean by that?[/QUOTE]
Simply that this forum does seem to throw curve balls at anyone who does demos or tries to express what they do ‘without fighting’! And the NYC area is very competitive for business!!
I have also found some that seem to hate us Brits too and seeing as Sifu Leo is a local Londoner, well you see what I mean… :o
[QUOTE=LoneTiger108;1168231]But do you get where I am coming from with regards to the differences?? Because if you do you should be able to find me a clip of something similar being used in a fight!!![/QUOTE]
Good luck with that because that is my point, you won’t find that video.
When inch power IS expressed in a fight and not a demo or compliant drill, it tends to look like the clips I posted, REGARDLESS of who it was developed or whatever "engine’ is driving it.
[QUOTE=LoneTiger108;1168232]Simply that this forum does seem to throw curve balls at anyone who does demos or tries to express what they do ‘without fighting’! And the NYC area is very competitive for business!!
I have also found some that seem to hate us Brits too and seeing as Sifu Leo is a local Londoner, well you see what I mean… :o[/QUOTE]
That’s a shame I would have fought Sifu Leo would have commanded more respect considering he was chosen to choreograph the Ip Man movies (worked with Ip Chun and Sammo Hung). All Wing Chun enthusiasts have benefited from the exposure those films have given to Wing Chun.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1168220]I know that you guys really WANT to THINK that these is a uniqueness to “WC inch power”, much like SPM peeps and Pak Mei dudes want to think the same thing about theirs, but the harsh reality is this:
Show it in practical terms and you will see that is NOT the case.
The human body works the way it works, period.[/QUOTE]
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Until one can clearly describe what it is. One cannot tell is it unique or not.
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A strike can be done in Atleast 3 different ways with the same human body. So it is important to find out which way is it?
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Until one knows which way one cannot conclude on practical or not.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IS5fVYAGKsQ&feature=endscreen&NR=1[/QUOTE]
In my opinion only,
this is not WCK inch power. it is far away from what it is.
and also it is very risky to playing with this type of stuffs on the chest area.
[QUOTE=thedreamer7;1168242]That’s a shame I would have fought Sifu Leo would have commanded more respect considering he was chosen to choreograph the Ip Man movies (worked with Ip Chun and Sammo Hung). All Wing Chun enthusiasts have benefited from the exposure those films have given to Wing Chun.[/QUOTE]
The issue is not him. but his intepretation of WCK inch power is not what it is.
These Movies and shows business are great for promotion, however, it will get one into big trouble in real life application. which I agree totally with sanjuro_ronin.
