one in the same or not

Wai Jia: The Kung Fu Forum Northern Praying Mantis
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In my research about the orignal styles of that mantis. I found three similar in description. They were the dragging, throwing and wrestling hands praying mantis systems. Using grapplnig and graging tech. perfers breaking to striking. Like chin na or not ulike aikido, or are they totaly different. Well I look forward to reading some your feed back singed Nobby

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Meihwa Shuaishou

I believe the 3 names listed are in fact the same style - Meihwa Shuaishou or Shuaishou for short IMHO.

Here’s something that I shared awhile ago:

First and foremost, my usual caveats apply.

  1. it is believed that Liang Xue Xiang (1810-?)visited or sojourned in Beijing when he was young. At the time he was working as an escort as well. He might have taught a few people his Tanglangquan there. We know that by 1842 CE he already has been teaching Bengbu, Luanjie (alias Meihwa) and Fenshen Bazhou.

  2. Shifu Boa Guangying, who called his style Meihwa Shuaishou Tanglang, seemed to be only one that had students both in Guangdong (around 1932 CE) and Beijing. He also worked as an escort in Beijing prior to moving to Guangdong. I have an article that is by one of his grand students that outlined what Boa taught to his student Liu Tan Feng.

Highlights of the corpus as follow:

Tanglang Shou Si Tang (Mantis Hands 4 roads)
Xiao Huyan Si Tang (little tiger swallow 4 roads)
Bengbu Liu Tang (crashing steps 6 roads) - 2 version old and new sessions.
Lanjie Si Tang (fence and intercept 4 roads)
Ba Zhou Ba Tang (eight elbows 8 roads)
Da Fanche
Xiao Fanche
Tanglang Dian Yue Quan 24 moves (pressure point strikes 24 moves)
Meihwa Siba Zhou Yi Tang (Plum Blossom 18 elbows 1 road)
Bagua Lan Men Quan (8 trigram blocking the Gate fist)
San Da San Shi Liu Da Tang (Loose stirkes 36 roads).

etc…

Liang XueXiang’s Son Liang Jing Chuan stayed behind in Beijing while his dad returned to Shandong. In the curriculum of Wang Song Ting (great grand student of Liang Jing Chuan), there are also Tanglang Shou and Xiao Huyan forms (also a form of Taizu Changquan). Could there be a relationship between Liang Jing Chuan’s line, which is now coined as Changquan Tanglang in Taiwan, and Boa Guangying’s Meihwa Shuai Shou? That we will have to investigate some more.

Mantis108

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sounds like my kind of mantis :cool: