Once again Jim Lacy tries to fool the martial community

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Here’s my opinion on some facts, not attacking anyone: breaking a coconut ISN’T internal iron palm…it’s just iron palm…it requires conditionning, some kind of conditionning that could prove detrimental when you get old…Haven’t you ever wondered why many reknowned internal teachers have very gentle hands, without visible trace, and why they scoff at the guys having these big callous or deformed hands? Have you read what katana legend Musashi said about his own hands? That when he was young “his hands were hard and rugous as wood, but now that he’s older and experienced his hands ressemble that of babies”??
THAT is internal training…there was a contemporary bagua practicionner (the name eludes me at the time) that could hit a watermelon with all his might and the watermelon had no trace…but if you cut it, the whole interior would just be turned as pulp…now THAT is internal…and this student of Park Bok Nam who, attacked by a dog, slapped him with a bagua hand…the dog died the morning after without visible cause except a massive internal heamorragy…same with another bagua practicionner who killed a boar by merely rubbing its forehead (no trace also, but the whole animal brain was liquified).And Xing yi’s Kuo Yu Cheong who could break dozens of bricks laid on the ground (bricks on bricks, no separators like in modern breaks) while slapping them from only several inches…the guy wasn’t even leaning or tilting his body, he was perfectly straight, lots of famous pics exist of him…he’d just lower his arm and boom, the bricks disintegrate…I heard of a footage that even shows him breaking a specific brick in the pile, at will (I’ll let you judge if you trust it or not).
My point is: breaking coconut isn’t internal iron palm (unless you do it Kuo Yu Cheong style, but apparently someone said “raise your hand as high above your head as possible and lean” so it’s definitely oppositee to what he’d do)…you can break coconuts with a hammer…we all know internal strikes are compared to lots of things (the most famous being a whip) but NEVER to a hammer…
That was my humble opinion…it doesn’t mean that the one breaking coconuts are not good…but they definitely CANNOT claim they’re doing something internal…

Phoenix

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Jim Lacy dares to put a PhD after his name

Go to http://www.tejitsu.com and see Jim Lacy put a PhD after his name. Its rather bogus and insulting to people who have spent their lives studying for REAL. Degrees for sale are making people who have EARNED them look rather bad, don’t you think?

Jim should get a PhD in Fantasy Kung fu. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

In Boston,

Dale Dugas

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Crimson

Do you know of any links that have that specific footage of Kuo Yu Cheong you mentioned?

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Crimson,
REAL BFP iron palm training does not leave the hand in a hardened, calloused state such as what you described. I agree with everything you wrote, but given your own descriptions, I would have to categorize BFP iron palm as “internal”. Coconut breaking is a skill, no more no less, the people I know who REALLY know BFP hardly ever mention it.

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Good one ironmonk…

The original poster claimed no proficency in cantonese. But said he learned Japanese in a university? Maybe I shouldnt comment.

But this is the united states. We dont do personal introductions here. Its not important here. We also dont worship tree’s. We dont bow.

The chinese say: One action makes ones name. They also say you only have one face to lose. I dont agree. But I like to think that actions do speak more than words.

That stuff stays in Japan or a Japanese household or the protocols of the classroom. We dont have name ranks and serial numbers.

I’d like to think of n. americans as having more individual freedom and a sense of identification than the Japanese do.

I was even more suprised to see that the poster says he teaches BFP. Unless its another white tiger…

What have you learned about the grammar of japanese? Why not ask your grandmaster doo some straight answers and get some straight explainations?

Like they say, talk to the pig about the pork. Not the chef. Talk to the wall about the wall, not the carpenter.

It seems to me that someone must be incredibly stupid, or this is a setup. I dont know what.

Where did doo learn his wing chun? And why does yip mans family not remember ever seeing his face around? Then there is the white eyebrow…

Something someone also forgot to mention. Some of the original legal issues was lacey supposedly ripping off doo’s video’s. He was selling copys with doo in them.

Doo had him stopped with legal action but lacey supposedly just remade the material from his personal copys and published them through panther.

The “where did brian grey learn X” lines of questioning expound values that are incompatable with the issues. If you want to publish brian greys bibliography, contact him directly. Does he make money giving away things for free? I dont.

Those that have actually read his books tell me that he does name his teachers. I havent read the books so I cant tell who’s telling the truth or not. This is classic martial arts doubletalk. “X video/teacher sucks”, you contact them for a copy.

“Oh, I dont have it, a guy I know has them”, “A guy I trust told me this…”, “My sifu said…”

Classic western pride and arrogance. “My name should be enough”

I’m biting my tongue here and maybe I should just hit send. Besides, I have someone to kick off my mailing list…

Turiyan gold, Brahmin caste, Ordos clan

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Adopt a psudonym

I’m one of the only that uses my real name here. You have a problem with that? Secondly, You didnt have permission to repost my message.

Third, its a pathetic wwwboard if a message from what seems like a year ago is still on there.

Why not post a link to the wu gar site eh? Afraid they’ll see my other asschewings?

Quality stuff peachfuss.

Turiyan gold, Brahmin caste, Ordos clan

The REAL taichi:
http://www.wfdesign.com/tc/
http://www.wustyle.com/108.html

Chinese military forum:
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Lacy followers

Turiyan,

Is sure does seem as though you are a Lacy follower. Some of your questions are interesting. I will try and answer some of them.

Where did Doo Wai learn White eyebrow? Cheung Lai Cheun. As you know , it is common practice for masters or grandmasters who are friends to sometimes teach certain things to each other.

No one said that GM Doo Wai was an expert in Wing Chun or Bak Mei. But, don’t you think it is smart practice to learn about arts you may have to go against in combat? Remember, Bak Fu Pai is very old and unchanged.

Your reference to “old” email is interesting. would it matter if the email were 1 or 10 years old?? The fact is Jim Lacy is a FRAUD! I will be posting the email to the board momentarily.

Respectfully,
Charles

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Dang I suck with acronyms…what does BFP stand for?

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hah, I get it, must be bak fu pai…
Ignore my question!!

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Cannot follow your posting, but then reading your others I can see why.

Turiyan,

I’m a little confused, are you talking about my post or someone elses? I didn’t seem to see any other posts between the two that you had listed here in the forum.

I don’t agree with your comment about not doing personal introductions here in the US. What do you do when you meet someone new? Just stand there and smile at them? That was silly to say.

I think most would agree that we introduce ourselves and use business cards as much as the Japanese do. Not bowing is accurate.

We do have more individual freedom here in the US, but I have to say you should go to Japan and see for yourself how the younger generations are acting.

I would say our sense of identification here in the US is going in the toilet as more and more people stay in their houses and order their food online and do everything online rather than go out and deal with life personally. Can you stiil stand by your remark when you look at that? I think not.

In my original post I made no mention of being a Bak Fu Pai instructor, so what are you talking about? Did you misread something? You said “you were surprised to see the poster says he teaches Bak Fu Pai”. You lost me again. I didnt’t see anyone post that.

You then mention Japanese grammar and then say I should go talk to GM Doo Wai and get some straight answers.

The Japanese are infamous for talking around something without directly talking about it. As are other Asian cutlures/languages. Being that you have had little or no experience with the Japanese language, you wouldn’t know this.

If your comments were directed at me and my post, I’m neither stupid nor setting anyone up. I am sick of Jim Lacy saying all the lies and totally made up crap to discredit all those he has pulled into his fantasy world.

Jim Lacy created all this garbage to humilate GM Doo Wai and create dissension among the CMA community at large. There is no BFP wing chun, there is no BFP Northern Shaolin. This crap was invented by our infamous clown about town, Jim Lacy.

His claims to teach 1000’s of forms is ludicrous as anyone who claims to have the skill to do that. You can tell by looking at him perform his “stuff” that he is rather linear about the way he moves. He doesn’t look like any of the Jook Lum people and how they move. Nor does he look like Bak Mae people when they do their forms. But then he never trained for real in any of the arts that he pretends to teach.

He is a fool, and unless he can demo more than the breaks and a couple of forms, he should not claim to be Grandmaster. In his articles he writes that he trained for 10 years and became the GM of a supposed Chinese system. Anyone with half a brain and 10 years of training is not going to spout off about being a Grandmaster. But then we seem to have this problem here in the US in that many people want to be a martial arts master and not master the martial arts. The two things are not one in the same.

I mentioned Brian Gray as reference to Lacy not naming his Kempo teachers nor the Hawaiian system teachers he claims to have studied under. I have issues with Brian Gray that I have posted in Inside Kung Fu in the letters section a few years back. At least Brian Gray doesn’t claim to teach ridiculous amounts of forms and training programs like Lacy.

I’ll have to go dig it up and post it if and when I can find it. I am sorry, but Brian Gray has not EVER mentioned ANYONE as his teacher(s).I have read his books and there is no mention at all within their pages. Whoever told he did is not telling you the truth.

I never said that Brian Gray sucks, I said that many people are made to feel suspect of his claims as he never mentioned who taught him what, in his articles and books.

You surprise me Turiyan. We have communciated in the past, but you seem to have forgotten me. I was on the Iron Palm list which fizzled out a while back. We talked about Brian Grays methods on there as well. You seemed to be okay at that time with what Brian Gray teaches to his people as his Iron Palm training.

I’m sorry that I don’t have the time to spend on this forum as you seem to have. I have to work and then go to school and then train. I don’t have much free time to sit down and enjoy this forum. But I have to make the time as I feel it’s important to keep up these types of forums.

You can email me anytime and ask anything you like Turiyan. I have nothing to hide. I look forward to agreeing to dissagree if that be the case.

In Boston,

Dale Dugas
aka Ironmonk67

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Turiyan,
I can honestly say that I’m surprised you took the time to read the replies to your post, this has to be a first…too bad you didn’t take the time to read those posts carefully, as Dale has kindly pointed out, but I suppose that would be too much to ask.

Any and all are welcome to view your ramblings on the wugar site…it’s incredibly funny that you would refer to them as “asschewings”. Delusions of grandeur, Turiyan? Believe it or not, no one is losing sleep over your posts, despite what mom may be telling you…

As for real names, I should think “Billy Pilgrim” about as real as “Turiyan Gold”, but if you want me to be more specific, feel free to ask. I promise you, you will be disappointed, my name is not worth the trouble of asking for it, but I’m flattered nonetheless…

By the way, still waiting on that video clip of your break…

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Turiyan,
While we’re on the subject, do you want to talk about those emails you used to send out telling people that Doo Wai wasn’t really Chinese, and that you could tell this because of “the shape of his head” :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Oh…sorry, I guess I didn’t have your permission to mention that…yes, Turiyan, you are certainly brave, brave enough to use your “real name” while posting, but you don’t want anyone to repost what you write…why is that?
Your motives are transparent to all, why not just take your Lacy tapes and go to your room…