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Paul

Originally posted by Paul
[B]what a tool. Either that or a really good troll.

so basically you have no idea what is feels like to have someone come after you throwing non stop punches and trying to take your head off.

If you ever do get into a fight I hope you enjoy your hospital stay. [/B]
We do train slowly but we also train for more than just a straight punch. We train for combos, uppercuts, kicks, someone running towards you, two,three, or more attackers at once. It is impossible to condense everything here or on the site.

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why don’t you explain some of your training, so the others can understand what you mean :slight_smile: It’s sometimes difficult to explain things and get your point across just through typing… i make that mistake all the time!

good luck,

david

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It’s not that some of us are trying to rip apart your school. It is the fact that there are some very good warning signs that says it is a mcKwoon.

  1. Questionable Lineage. - Many styles have this.
  2. Reference to the movie “Kung Fu”.
  3. Karate gi with cooresponding belt.
  4. "The techniques we do are too dangerous ".
  5. Our school is the only school that teaches…

By the way, can you give us any background on your sifu’s teacher?

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dezhen2001

It’s hard to condense but I’ll try. Up through black belt we train for certain attacks punches, kicks, etc. with no diviation, but always emphasis on form, footwork, centerline, all the basics. The further we get the more we learn to blend and improvise. We are not locked into one technique. If we start something our basics allow us to take different avenues if need be. This comes after some time. We pair up as I said before but pratice slowly. We still throw punches hard but try not to commit too much because every strike we do is beating the body’s next reaction ie. a snap to the groin bends you over into an eye strike so we keep our heads back. The further we get the more what ifs we practice for. ie. do a regular technique but the guy fell on you or grabbed in a unexpected way. These kind of things. It’s hard to convey all of this in a forum or on the site. We also do Iron palm training and Chin Na in the mantis.

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Well, even though it has taken me a while to get on stage, I can see Wushu Chik warmed up the mic for me…so let’s get to it, shall we?

The format of the site is not bad…on a personal level, I hate that whole “shiny light effect of our spakling logo” thing. It’s been done to death, but that’s just my personal view.

No Bear video or did I miss it, or is that a concept and not a technique? I think a little clarification there would be nice.

The Mantis looked OK…but only OK. The angle was hard to see exactly what was going down in a few of those movements.

Crane…again, positioning was kind of hard to see around but all I saw was “crane wings” as far as the hands went.

Now, I don’t care what drivel “Da Shifu” is throwing around up there in Oregon-town, but there is no reason in the world for the Tiger and the Dragon techniques to again look like Crane wings. They are completely different in their application and power delivery. If all I wanted to do was learn how to throw a few loose fingered slaps around, I’d tape soap operas. Also, I don’t know what that “not even close iron cobra palm” was supposed to be, but snake styles generally ar aimed at the vitals, not the top of the head.

I’m also glad to know that DaMo actually went to Wu-Tang rather than Shaolin according to your cobra page. Now I can rest easily.

Now, had you all said “A triad, Shaolin art”…maybe it’d be called into question a little less…a little. But when you say it’s a “triad, Wu-Tang, Shaolin art”…well, as was said earlier. Make up your mind.

“DaMo lives on in Da Shifu”??? That’s about as disrespectful as when David Carradine said he has Bruce Lee living on in him.
You know, I’m all for people doing their own thing and all, but don’t make stuff up to make it sound better. If it’s good, it’ll show. I’ll draw a parallel here…Those who like to run around screaming about what “good Christians” they are, usually aren’t.
I think I’ll stop here before everybody starts thinking I’m a TOTAL jerk.

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ewallace

I’ll try to answer a few things. My teacher learned in San Francisco from an old Chinese man that spoke no English. My teacher was always the only student. He learned the same things he teaches us except his teacher was very physically abusive in his teaching. Other than that I don’t know much about his teacher and I don’t ask because he has told me that out of respect for his teacher he won’t go into too many details after all this was an art that was basically taught in secret to my teacher.
As for reference to Kung Fu and the gi’s and belts, those are mainly for the general population. The website is to develope interest in the school mainly from people not involved in martial arts and whose only recognition of the art maybe the show Kung Fu or the use of belts. My teacher didn’t receive any belts in his training but thought it might be a nice incentive for people just learning.

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How long have you been studying there? I ask you this because my bullsh!t meter has full mercury.

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San Francisco has a BIG Chinese community! Does your teacher speka fluent Cantonese or Mandarin (or some other Chinese dialect), otherwise it’s VERY difficult to learn by movements alone… Respect for your teacher is all good and well, but you should know who your Sigong is (teachers teacher). It’s like your grandfather!

Have you ever seen any other Shaolin animal based styles like Hung Gar, Preying Mantis or even the Northern Shaolin form Henan. I think you’d enjoy them, as Hung Gar has also got the 5 animals of: tiger, dragon, snake, crane and lepoard.

Also, does your style have any weapons?

Interesting… how long have you been training for anyway PJO? :slight_smile:

david

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I don’t think PJO goes to the school on the website. I think PJO is someone else who posts here under another name. I’m also thinking I know who this is. Definately a successful trolling attempt.

who knows? maybe I’m wrong.

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could be…

Still, gets us all discussing what the difference between a McKwoon and a proper school are. That can only be a good thing for others who read and have no MA experience.

Coming from the UK i’d never really heard or experienced this whole McKwoon business until i subscribed to various forums. Now i know that if i move ot the USA to stick with my present Sifu :stuck_out_tongue:

david

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I’m calling troll here.

This is just too perfect. He’s said all of the right bullsh!t kung fu catch phrases.

JWT

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I was thinking of that too Paul. Regardless it is a good thread for educational and entertainment purposes.

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David

I’ve seen a lot of other arts but some like Hung Gar seem to hard style and others like Wushu seem too traditional with too much emphasis on gymnastics and grace instead of application, just my opinion. We do some weapons training, double blades, and Shaolin stick but the emphasis is on our bodies and anything we put in our hands is just an extension of our own weapons. Also as for my teacher speaking Chinese, no he doesn’t his teacher taught him by basically beating on him. If he wasn’t low enough in his stance he would just kick the back of his leg. If he wasn’t blocking hard enough he would just punch him. You can learn pretty quick under these circumstances. If there was something he just couldn’t understand he would have the old mans’ daughter translate. By the way I’ve been training for about five years.

PJO

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One more last post

I really am a student at far east fighting arts in Beaverton, OR and I truly believe it’s the best self defense art, but that’s just my opinion. I’m also curious as to what you consider to be a McKwoon and what is a proper Kwoon.

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This is what i can’t understand from your post (if it’s legit or not).

If he just gets beaten on - how the heck can u learn the internal intricases and principles? (if your art is nothing like Hung Gar, which is too ‘hard’). Maybe ask Jon about that as he has a lot of experience there.

You can get your posture corrected and everything, but you have to get things explained to you as well as physically do them. Can you learn something like Taijiquan or Ba Gua just by getting it beaten in to you, and by doing the physicla only? I would very much doubt it.

Getting the leg kicked out if ur stance is wrong or punched if u block wrong sounds like my old Shotokan Karate training that i did between the ages of 8 and 20! :stuck_out_tongue:

Anyway, good luck with your training and school :slight_smile:

david

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We have to come up with a McKwoon scale…this is going toward the top…

lets see
.5 point for gi’s
1 point for the too dangerous bs
1 point for the fact it is worthy of a -do

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:smiley:

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I’m sorry man but I have to call bullsh!t on this one. The mercury on my BS meter just cracked the glass. Let me expand on my previous list.

  1. Questionable Lineage/history. - Many styles have this.
  2. Reference to the movie “Kung Fu”.
  3. Karate gi with cooresponding belt.
  4. "The techniques we do are too dangerous ".
  5. Our school is the only school that teaches…(fill in the blank)
  6. Style has no representation by a Grandmaster.
  7. Teacher learned from someone he couldn’t communicate with (this makes passing on knowledge and history fairly difficult).
  8. Teacher has made it so no one feels comfortable asking questions higher up the food chain.
  9. Teacher was the only student of a chinese man and he is a cracker.
  10. Feel free to add to list everyone.

My theory is that this guy had some training in some Shaolin. Dabbed here and there into some animal forms…enough to pass them off for what they are, and is no longer in good standing with his sifu because he decided to break off and try to make some money.

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ewallace

I just wanted to clear up that my teacher was in a one on one situation with his teacher. There may have been other students but he never saw them. As for being in good standing with his teacher his teacher died some years ago. Finally I think this forum would be empty if caucasians where not allowed to learn Kung Fu.

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Yeah, didn’t you say that your da shifu learned the history and lineage from his teacher? Geez that must have been easy with the language barrier…or did the teachers daughter tell it to him, or did he make it up, put in all the catchy words he could find?
Lets see we have
deadly
Kung fu
snake and crane
animals
errr anyone make up a lineage from a movie yet?

man edub, you are on this one…
except, the lineage is more than questionable, its pretty close to bunkarific