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Normally I wouldn’t bother tapping my fingers on this horse **** but I’m in a bad mood…
No, hang on, can’t stop there…
You’re going to the net to confirm stories your sifu has told you?
These sequences are the start of your art? So later on you learn to pick your ass up off the floor, and staunch blood flow from the nose in a single move whilst making admittedly animalistic grunting noises…?
Have you ever tried kungfu? Means ‘work hard’… on your story if nothing else.
A little questionable
As was said before - I am not in a position to comment on the techniques. Each style does things it’s own way and I am not going to comment on that but (we all knew there would be a but)…
The history is VERY suspect.
Among the various historians and martial artists who have an interest in such things it is well known that the Shaolin Temples were VERY involved in Chinese Politics. Why do you think they were detroyed so many times? For fun? That’s like saying the Vatican was never involved in politics over the years.
Everyone knew that the Temples were sided with one regime or another over the centuries.
Also - though no one knows for sure - there is a whole lot of oral tradition indicating when the various animal styles came about (and some written documentation). There is also a lot of history on Da Mo and the two don’t meet. Da Mo (as far as we know) was quite a few years PRIOR to the various animal styles.
One other thing - according to the site:
“Sheng Hun does not teach traditional movements; basic movements that can be detected in most other styles of martial arts.”
Well - I wonder - we all come from the same place. We have the influence of Da Mo and the Shaolin Temples in our arts just like your art does. We all have these “traditional movements” in our arts BUT your art doesn’t? Even though it comes from the same place?
According to the history - Da Mo taught a small band of monks hiding in the mountains the six animals. Ok - what happened to the traditional movements over the years? All of our arts kept them but your teacher (and his entire lineage - if there is one) didn’t? Doesn’t that seem strange to you?
Don’t mind wushu chik. She is a little too passive at times.
Anyone have the link to that guy in Europe that was talking to some black guy when bg’s friends came over and then bg sucker punched him and stomped on his head? That is how sh!t really goes down and is why I said earlier that this stuff wouldn’t work against a trained fighter. Or even an untrained fighter.
Hee hee. I didn’t even check the history stuff. I love the Wu Dang Shaoling based style thing. Now that’s comedy.
And PJO, if you can’t see the reason for getting off the line of attack then you definately aren’t using any force in your attacks. None of the techniques shown would have stopped a real punch. Sure, they might have misdirected a punch from your temple to your chin or neck, but that’s about it.
Ok, let me ask this. Does your school spar? If so, do you make contact during your sparring? Are sparring matches judged? If so, what is the judging criteria? What is the level of contact? When is a round over? What protection is used? How often do injuries occur?
JWT
Sparring
There is no sparring at our school. The techniques we do are too dangerous to do full contact sparring. I think the reason some people said it looks like kempo is because kempo is basically Kung Fu with all the animal applications taken out. Sheng Hun is the true animal unwatered down. Getting back to sparring, for us it would do no good because it would train us to pull back our weapons.
are you serious?
No sparring? this explains everything.
your techniques aren’t too dangerous.
We spar bare knuckle with heavy contact at my school and I’m not dead yet or missing any body parts.
ewallace: i remember seeing that - not a pretty sight… that’s why you need 2-man drills and skill development exercises like chi sau and controlled sparring to develop skill…
If you don’t have that then you will get knocked out in a real scenario (or worse).
david
There is no sparring at our school. The techniques we do are too dangerous to do full contact sparring.
Yup. That confirms it. We have a mcKwoon. The only thing that would make this situation more perfect would be the instructor in those clips to be wearing red pants with the yellow gi.
Wushu Chic
Where in Oregon do you teach? Out of all the people on here you are the only one who might be able to come down and check it out for yourself. As with anything the best way to experience it is in person then make up your mind.
for us it would do no good because it would train us to pull back our weapons.
How can you train to apply them (let alone worry about pulling them back) on a live, moving target if you don’t do any type of partner/sparring training?
david
How about yellow gi, red pants and a bright green belt? :eek:
McKwoon
Originally posted by ewallace
Yup. That confirms it. We have a mcKwoon. The only thing that would make this situation more perfect would be the instructor in those clips to be wearing red pants with the yellow gi.
Just because we are a war art that is strictly for self defence doesn’t make us any less legit than a sparring, competion, sport art.
Originally posted by Paul
[B]are you serious?
No sparring? this explains everything.
your techniques aren’t too dangerous.
We spar bare knuckle with heavy contact at my school and I’m not dead yet or missing any body parts. [/B]
We pair up with people and do techniques very slowly. As for your sparring I don’t know if your art involves breaking an arm, knee, and taking an eye in the first few movements but that makes full speed, full contact very difficult.
Hi PJO, why don’t you explain some of the things you actually do in your kwoon, then people cna maybe understand where you’re coming from…
Sparring/partner drills do not have to be competitive, but are there to develop skill so you can apply your full arsenal of skills in a fighting scenario. This is in a controlled manner so that you develop skill and no one dies!
david
Just because we are a war art that is strictly for self defence doesn’t make us any less legit than a sparring, competion, sport art.
¿Que?
This thread is outstanding. Before I dig deeper into the above statement, answer me this:
Do you have any two man drills?
Is there sensitivity training?
Do you put on any gear and do a more controlled form of sparring?
oops - you already did it while i was writing 
But, if you do this, do you also work up the intensity so you learn what it feels like to be having to defend full power and speed? It can be very scary, even after lots of experience. But not as scary as a real life surprise encounter (a la the scenario ewallace talked about earlier).
Does your style have any sensitivity training methods as well? (just curious as i do wing chun)
david
ewallace
We don’t put on any gear or do sensitivity training. We just pair up and do the techniques slowly. I explain a little more in a previous posting.
errrrr, dude, stop while you are only this far behind…way too many skeptics here for you to win. Don’t take it personally, it happens a bunch here.
oh, and thank you, this is one of the funnest posts in a while.
Yeah I saw that. A lot of schools/styles don’t have sparring. That doesn’t mean much really.
Do the drills go something like this:
Okay, attacker throws right punch as he steps in with right foot. Then you counter with move a, followed by moves b,c and d?
What I’m getting at is that it seems everything is based on ideas and not reality. Of course techniques will work against a willing oppenent and you know exactly what is coming your way. It is a whole different ballgame when a full speed combo is coming your way.
what a tool. Either that or a really good troll.
so basically you have no idea what is feels like to have someone come after you throwing non stop punches and trying to take your head off.
If you ever do get into a fight I hope you enjoy your hospital stay.