New to Kung Fu Words of wisdom required Please.....

Big up and respect to all who may view this thread and thank you in advance to anyone who posts useful answers to my questions.:slight_smile:

I live in Hatfield UK and have recently joined a Nam-Pai Chuan school of kung fu which amongst other styles teaches snake + white crane, the teacher is a 5th dan black belt and has been traing for 30 years or more and is very big on the philosophy and tradition which i am also very interested in

I will be honest with you and admit that i am 28 years old and have litterally sat on my arse for 10 years and so although i am tall 6’2 and slim i do have a bit of a pot belly not excessive i might add but i am unhappy with it all the same. I also gave up smoking this week on monday 8th may i used to smoke about 5 - 10 a day.

Ok Firstly I would like some comments on Nam-Pai Chuan is this still a traditional shaolin kung fu ? And your thoughts on white Crane and Snake Style.

Secondly as i am a complete novice would like some info on geting into shape without burning myself out. what types of exercise are good to start out with and how often should the be done i.e every day every other day taking into consideration i like most ppl have to work 5-6 days a week. Also i might add that my job requires me to walk approx 6-8 miles a day is this beneficial?

Third question, I am currently attending kung fu 2 times a week for 1hr45 per lesson also tai chi on a sat morn for 1 hr. As a novice is this enough practice to begin with and once i start to remember and learn the classes and the forms etc how often would you reccommend i practice in my own time along with excercise i.e do a workout then practice or alternate days between practice and excercise?

Thank you for taking the time to read this and i look forward to your comments and views:D

A well worded first post, Choppa - I hope my reply helps in some way…

recently joined a Nam-Pai Chuan school of kung fu which amongst other styles teaches snake + white crane, the teacher is a 5th dan black belt and has been traing for 30 years or more and is very big on the philosophy and tradition

Ok Firstly I would like some comments on Nam-Pai Chuan is this still a traditional shaolin kung fu ? And your thoughts on white Crane and Snake Style.

Well - ā€œ5th Dan Black Beltā€ is a Japanese affectation. I’ve heard of Chinese martial arts adopting belt systems, but they tend to use the term ā€œdegreeā€ or ā€œlevelā€ or something similar, because ā€œX Danā€ black belt really implies a Japanese style (this is just a FWIW - any ā€˜Shaolin’ stylist who told me he was a ā€œ5th Dan Blackbeltā€ would raise an eyebrow for me, but he may have simply decided to use that type of grading structure - who knows)

Nam-Pai Chuan is not a name I’ve ever heard of, but I’m sure someone from the UK will be able to provide some info.

There are several different ā€œWhite Craneā€ styles of Chinese martial art, from Tibetan White Crane, to Fujian White Crane. It should be relatively easy to identify the particular style your teacher does with a bit of information as to who taught him, and whereabouts in China the art came from. I’m sorry I don’t know anything about any ā€˜Snake’ styles.

I will be honest with you and admit that i am 28 years old and have litterally sat on my arse for 10 years and so although i am tall 6’2 and slim i do have a bit of a pot belly not excessive i might add but i am unhappy with it all the same. I also gave up smoking this week on monday 8th may i used to smoke about 5 - 10 a day.

Well if you are walking 6-8 miles a day for your job, you aren’t exactly sitting on your arse all day, but maybe you do need to do some more exercise. Congrats on quitting smoking by the way - all the best with keeping it up (I know how hard it is believe me…)

Secondly as i am a complete novice would like some info on geting into shape without burning myself out. what types of exercise are good to start out with and how often should the be done i.e every day every other day taking into consideration i like most ppl have to work 5-6 days a week. Also i might add that my job requires me to walk approx 6-8 miles a day is this beneficial?

Of course walking is beneficial, but perhaps you would do well to start doing some cardio training, as well as some basic introductory strength training, by way of creating a foundation to work with as you get fitter and stronger.

If you want to get yourself in decent shape, and are prepared to put in the time and effort required, I personally have separate strength training and cardio training routines which I do as well as my martial arts training.

If I was you, I’d probably start jogging three or four days a week (wake up and go for a run, do some stretching, crunches, push ups etc.) build it up to doing interval runs, still doing lots of core strength training (pilates, ab work etc.) and stretching.

I would also begin doing some form of strength training three or four days a week.

But of course this all depends on how much time you have available, how much effort you want to put in, and how much you are willing to inconvenience yourself to do it.

I had a friend begin training at the same gwoon as me, telling me he was in love with the art, and would be a dedicated student. I just laughed (knowing he’s a bit of a flake anyway, and he has no car) and said wait till it gets boring, and you can’t be bothered catching the three buses you’ll need to to get to training. Despite his assurances, within a month he was nowhere to be seen (and began talking about "what do you think about me training once a week?)

thanks for your reply i made an error in my script i should have put that he is a 5th degree black belt my apologies for that

He is a senior student of Master Christopher Khee Choong Lai

I am fortunate enough to have a car so the class is only a 15 minute drive away so i have no excuse to miss a lesson. I spent the first lesson just watching and very impressed with the teaching style. He is very patient and obviously a very experienced teacher who is more than happy to explain each exercise kick punch and form from origins to reasons for and application of each.

In the second lesson he had me involved with the rest of the class and when it came to pairing up to practice kicking/punching i was put with a black belt which i have to admit pleased me and scared me at the same time!!! his right punch nearly took the glove off my hand lol…and we also had a chuckle at how weak his left was compared to his right hand which made me feel like I am not the only one who needs to work hard (kung fu lol) to improve even the black belts are continually learning he was also very encouraging when it was my turn to kick and punch.

I have spent such a long time in limbo not knowing what to do each day wasting my life away partying and getting wasted at the weekends only to realise that the party feeling soon gets boring I was a mad Raver for 6 years but i would say that now i am older it doesnt have the same appeal anymore.

I feel so much better within myself for coming to a cross roads in my life and making the right choice and turned the corner and am heading in the right direction. I know it is a long road ahead and a lot of hard work is involved but i feel it is worth it.:smiley:

alright dude. awesome that your doing what your doing. couple of words of advice

  1. you dont want this to be a fad thing. people come and go i know you might say yeah but im in it for the long run or whatever blah blah blah people quit all the time. i dont mean to be negative but something you love and enjoy, keep an open mind and experiment around a bit that way youll stay fresher for a while and then when you find something to really commit to youll do all the better. dont go overboard to start with.

not to say ditch the kung fu but having an open approach might be something to consider. go try some judo, some boxing a little thai, do some weapons stuff, man the chicks in capoiera you gotta have a go at that, do some tai chi…

  1. general physical preparation (GPP)
    a. strength : ive found just doing a little weight work has given me so much benefit im totally sold on it. i know i now have to buckle down sort out a program etc… anyway ask around here where to start but get doing deadlifts etc none of the bodybuilding isolation machines bollocks. its more than about strength also good for your bones, connective tissue etc.

b. cardio : also go for a swim, run, cycle etc have fun. dont need to go overboard on this i think

c. flexibility : stretch. go do a little yoga or something.

strength & flexibilty will help you avoid injuries which trust me is SO important. dont just do one do both.

  1. be honest to yourself and reality, respectful, concentrate on learning stuff and taking it all in and helping your training buddies out. remember its training your trying to get better at something. ask yourself how you gonna do that? dont worry about the bs avoid the *******s and the flakes. be serious when your training. dont kiss anyones ass either. also question everything ask why how etc? but dont ask too many questions thats just annoying :stuck_out_tongue:

  2. if your in hatfield go check out the wing chun club in st albans. again not trying to put you off your teacher he may be great but i hear there very good.

**** that was a lot of advice man your lucky :smiley: and hey man thats just my advice im not a teacher or anything you should ask them and the more experienced people you train with.

thanks for replying

cheers to yo both for replying

I am on a very limited budget at the moment so going to the gym isnt an option neither is swimming (yet!) but in a few months that will be possible… I have been trying to do sit ups and press ups in the morning but i have to admit i havent hit 20 on either yet like i said its been a long time since i did ANY form of excercise except walking LOL:D I have been a very lazy man!!! I intend to do some running soon too my partner used to be a runner so she can help me with that

I think I will stick with my class for now to see how things go because I like the environment and the class times suit me for my job!

I have started tai chi to on a sat morning too

I understand what you mean about going all in then dropping out but this is something i have wanted to get into for a long time and i have always found the hardest thing was getting over my self consciousness (er did i spell that right???) and taking the first step but now that is done and i feel very comfortable knowing that i am not going to be mocked for being a novice

I believe I can stick at this I have been teaching myself to dj all by myself for the last couple of years and though perseverance have started to make good impressions in the right places and i belive that the art of kung fu will help me physically and mentally with this too (them record boxes can be heavy you know lol!!!):rolleyes:

Striker do you live any where near Hatfield or St Albans it would be cool to have someone to train with and help to stay motivated if not dont worry but cheers for the advice

may i ask how long you have been training??

yep - 5th dan black belt is definitely japanese :eek:

beware

thanks but i did make a point of stating i made a type error he is 5th degree black belt thanks for replying though

:smiley:

try hear for some good bodyweight stuff. Start with Workout #1 till you can do the whole thing a couple times a week.

www.trainforstrength.com

remember, water and protein.

as for cardio…hard to beat jump roping for simple aerobic conditioning.

you can start of simple with it…30-60 second round (or more if you’re not that bad off) with 15-60 second rests. once you can get to 3 minutes of jump roping then just start doing 3 minute rounds w/ 1 minute rests as many times as you can.

invest in a good jump rope though…cheap ones are frustrating and at less than $20 for a good one…

be sure to give your body recovery time. I’d do your strength on the same days you do class that way you have a full rest day between. After a month or two you can switch it up if your kung fu classes aren’t terribly demanding.

congrats on quitting smoking. two things about that, one don’t be surprised if you put on a little bit of weight and two, regularly participating in cardiovascular exercise will increase the odds that you will NOT return to being a smoker. i smoked for 8 years and managed to kick it 2 years ago. its not easy.

secondly, if you are looking for something to get rid of a pot belly, you have to remember you can’t specifically taget a part of the body to lose weight you will have to lose it all over. Sprints are the best way for burning fat. stair running is great for building endurance and leg strength. look for good plyometric exercises for getting explosive power.

if you want to get rid of the gut don’t eat for 2-3 hours before working out and when you finish working out eat protein. i prefer tuna but turkey or chicken are good too. protein helps rebuild muscle and keeps you fuller longer. lastly for the belly, i regret to say this but no beer (or at least very little). if i lived in england i would not be able to follow this. i love boddingtons too much but as its a little harder for me to find it here i almost never have to worry about it. alcohol in general though are empty carbs and go right to the gut. not to mention that it effects the vestibular sense which you must keep keen in any martial art.

walking 6-8 miles everyday isn’t going to yeild too many benefits but if you stop doing it it will have a lot of detriments (unless you replace it with something else). any excercise is going to be good at first but your body needs to be constatly challenged. you might walk 5 miles per day for two weeks and lose weight but you won’t keep it off by continuing to walk that same 5 miles per day. you need to walk further or faster or perhaps uphill. something to increase the difficulty. same thing with running. but at least with running you can increase your over all resting metabolism. i would suggest doing 30 minutes of good cardio at least 3-4 times per week and as your body gets used to it try running further or try hill running.

i am not familiar with your style but if you like it and are serious about it than stick with it. finding a good sifu that you can trust and enjoy learning from is a great thing. ok, happy training.

~steve

my 2 cents

some advice i will give:

do not turn your teacher into an idol, he may be skilled and all but he is still a man.

train for yourself.

you will learn to understand what your body says to you. listen to your body.

train hard, be true to yourself, never give up, eat the pain. your art will never leave you as long as you stay dedicated and true to yourself.

NEVER quit.

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Oh, and by the way, its never too late man. Congrats on figuring it out before you got old :stuck_out_tongue:

thanks to all

Wow!!!.. I didn’t realise i would get so many helpful points and tips i am very grateful to you all for your thoughts and comments I am going to defo work hard at getting fit and Strong.

PangQuan I was just trying to find out if my teachers level of achievement is going to be beneficial to me I don’t idolise him I respect his achievements and I hope I can do better!!! But I know I am a longway off lol:D but thankyou for taking the time to reply:)

you hit the goldmine man.

im not from hatfield or st albans area but i know theres a dude who posts on this forum sometimes from round that way whos a sound dude and knows his ****. its just a little recommendation.

man i could write a bit more about this as when i started mma training i went in pretty kamikaze with the hard training from having a year or two break from any real exercise, but i got to run…

if you’re true to yourself then you will move on when you feel like it, rather than sticking at it just because some1 tells you to in a loud voice :slight_smile: