Have you seen Low Man Kam fight? But if indeed you have seen him fight, and not just seen him doing forms from each,
Which stance does he use, tight upright WC, or lower wider CLF?
Does he swing his arms, or push them up the centre line?
Elbows in or out - knees in or out?
While it is probably possible to be able to do both, I’m not a big fan of mix-n-match. Plenty of people are, and I can accept that.
The point I want to make, for what little it may be worth to Slade, is to go for depth, not bredth in training. Learning WC and CLF is learning different ways to do the same thing (striking, bridging, kicking), whereas MMA has the whole grappling angle that WC doesn’t include.
Of course, he could do worse than changing from WC to CLF…but from the kinds of workouts he’s after, I’d say he’ll probably opt for MMA.
Sure Yum (and what a fine name that is too!), I appreciate what you’re saying about mixing and matching, but from what this guy says he may be able to handle it… some people suit it and some people don’t.
As for Lo Man Kam, I’ve never seen him do forms, or even met him, but I have trained with a couple of his students, and they’ve shown me some CLF flavoured WC exercises and elements to their chi sao which has been very effective and I still use now (tho without such good effect!).
They use a loose wide somewhat upright wing chun stance (that’s got you hasn’t it!). Sometimes they swing their arms (but here’s another hint, a lot of wingchunners with no CLF influence don’t just limit themselves to ‘pushing up the centre’!), and sometimes centreline. Sometimes their elbows are in and… (guessed it yet… in my wing chun I was taught not to stick to elbows in all the time!) and sometimes out. And their stances were fairly standard; in the usual stance their front knee was in and their back knee slightly out (though probably ‘slightly in’ to a CLFer!).
The only thing I can say to you is… look for a Lo Man Kam student, and play with them. It’s wing chun, but you’d recognise some of the aspects. I’m not sure but I think Lo learned CLF from childhood before he learned wing chun, which he learned from his uncle Yip Man (so he didn’t have a typical MA experience!). Might be wrong bout that tho.
Well for your information I do Tai chi as well as Wushu ATM as well(used to do muay thai), so im quite used to wide stances and dont limit myself to straight line punching at all. I kinda live by the Jeet Kune do Principles so I dont limit myself to a single art and merely use what I find useful, hense why I have a broad range of techniques from many different styles.
BTW I am going to learn BJJ one day, when I get around to it, maybe at the same time as doing this style.
BTW I found a trainer who operates out of Melboune as well i jeet kune dov http://www.jkdacademy.com.au/ Judging by the looks of the trainer they at least the instructor hasnt let himself go and trains hard (At least at gym if not anything else)
Mind you the styles he teaches at Jeet Kune do dont seem to be as broad as at Dan Inosantos Academy. Any thoughts?
Also the offical Jeet Kune Do Federation has one listed in melbourne.
Michael Tagg
Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do
P.O. Box 81
Carlton South Melbourne,
Victoria Australia, 3053
Email: tstama@hotmail.com
Lineage: Bruce Lee – Richard Bustillo – Michael Tagg