My what big muscles you have!

You have to look inside yourself for the answer. I looked at your profile and the answer became clear.

Think, what would the great figures in celtic history have done?

That’s right, get a couple of horses, a chariot, weld some knives onto its wheels, and you have a chance. If you can’t find the horses there is only one path left for you to take, that’s right, call Ralek.
:o

these poeple as you said may ambush you , you cannot offor to have an ongoing fight with these guys for ages as he might bring friends etc etc and it could go on for ages.

you should asses the situation ,
if he has a large gang ,
iwould reccomend that you show them all you have balls and will **** them all up the only way to do this is to beat this guy bad in hand to hand stand up fighting , and then the rest of them will be scared of you to do anything since the boss got cleaned…

If he doesnt have a gang it is much easier
would reccomend that you …
act more psychotic than the guy could ever handle .
I would either have a home made , fake bomb and when they come up to you swear that you will blow them up , but dont look nervous, shout your head off foaming at the mouth ILLL BLOW YOU ALL UP ILL FUCKYOUR MOTHER IN THE NIGHT HELL ILL EVEN FUCKYOUR FATHER IN THE NIGHT SCUM LIKE YOU WONT BE MISSED ILL KILL YOU ALL… that will scare the **** out of him…

option number 2 is to take a stun gun , knock him out with it with the first zap and when he si unconscious , zap it through his brain, he will be a bit of veggie so he wont **** with you any more…

or my personal favourite is to knock him out strip him down and pour glue or wax over him , and roll him around on the floor a bit… let him wake up in a few hours and see how he feels.

I wongsifu shall strike fear into the hearts of trolls and mma guys who **** me off on these forums oh and in real life.

…wongsifu

You’re crazy, aren’t you?

:smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

TJM

What would Conan do?

Look them square in the eye, quote Conan, “Demon, if you can bleed - than you can surely die”

When he lets his guard down and laughs at you…attack for all your worth!

Disclaimer:
The above advice is meant for entertainment purposes only. The author does not encourage Zen Celt, or anyone for that matter to threaten anyone with death and then attack with all they are worth. :wink:

Seek first to understand, then to be understood-Stephen Covey

There is no good advice for a situation like this. Good luck.

“She ain’t got no muscles in her teeth.”

  • Cat

Being outnumbered by larger opponents…

Zen_celt, odds not being on your side, running is probably your best option. If impossible to run, Jimmy23 gave you the best advice so far. To beat them you have to be smart and think ahead. There are a few advantages to your situation. Being outweighted and outnumbered removes any moral obligation to be “fair” in your fighting. Forget about exchanging punches and kicks. Because of their size, they can afford the luxury of kickboxing you for a while but you don’t. You have to be very nasty and unpredictable. Clearly knowing their intentions, you also have the advantage of initiating the attack. Unless, THEY’re smart (ie they ambush you and attack you from behind so you never know what happened), they will first verbally confront you. That’s your cue to get up close and personal. Use surprise and attack first, attack the face/throat area, be relentless in your attacks, always know where the second guy is and keep the first guy between you and the second one. Whatever happens, if you’re going to win this you have to finish it quickly.

Whether you fight them or not, learn a lesson from this and try not to get caught in such a situation again.

ST

Surrounded by chaos, the true taoist laughs…

One important thing is to keep in mind that size confers certain advantages both way, i.e. short stature allows you to attack certain areas with technique that a taller person would have a harder time applying.

I’m a fairly big person, and I know a number of shorter fighters who I really have to keep on my toes with. For me to attack a shorter opponent in the groin with a hand technique, I have to do some serious low stance, but the shorter guy can do it to me practically standing. So don’t let yourself mentally break down in the face of a larger opponent, as this will interfere in whatever option you choose, be it running, fighting, etc.

My teacher is 85 pounds lighter than me, but his internal work is so strong that, if I try to budge him, even with a good start, he can usually collapse my structure, and he doesn’t budge.

Fighting, not happy but if you have too

Everyone’s eyes, knees, floating ribs, throat, and ears are vulnerable to attack no matter what the size (although you may have trouble reaching them). It is best to find a mediator to settle things (hopefully someone bigger, or a bigger ego…someone italian with mafia connections…I digress).

If you fight use everything, go for his eyes, he gets close, bit and elbow him. Hit him in the throat with a knife hand, etc. Keep in mind once you fight it is for keeps/your life. He should understand that as well. One of you could end up very much lifeless. Are you prepared to kill someone and possibly goto jail?

But I digress…

Never play leapfrog with a unicorn…

they cheat.

Best Answer…I can think of…

If this guy wants to fight you or may want to…you chose where it should be (Sun, art of war). You should invite him to your dojo/studio/place of practice (where ever you do your martial arts training with your teacher). This way you have more control, help, witnesses and you can set rules and not have to worry as much about the killing or being killed.

I think the best approach is to hand delive or have someone deliver a nice envelope with his name on it (you do know his name don’t you) and invite him.

This could turn into something positive, you get to spar someone bigger and stronger so you can test your skill. You may actually earn his trust or acceptance, he may enroll in your school. That last one may not be great but it will guarantee you work harder in your art (you’ll have to compensate for his natural abilities).

Richard Burton has an article on this…www.jkdunlimitied.com (then /off12.htm)

Never eat prunes when starving.

Well, just to be the voice of dissent, if you start running you will keep running.

Stand still and do nothing, and your situation will never improve. Fear is a cronic disease.

Fight, and you will keep on fighting.

The choice is simple, and it’s yours alone.

For what it’s worth, I’ve made that decision myself, and it got my a$$ handed to me more than once. But I always came back, and pretty soon people learned that nobody got to hurt me for free.

My advice, draw a line for yourself and make the person who steps over it pay for it. Whether that’s a punch, putting a 2X4 through his skull, or just making fun of him in public. Let people know that they will pay, in as big and in as many ways as you can muster, for crossing that line. But for fu(ks sake, be a man about it.

And on a seperate note, the spark plug in the gas can thing most likely won’t actually work. The initial problem is that the spark from the plug is not sufficient to light a large quantity of gas while submersed in a sealed container. Not enough O2. But there are other accelerants that would work. Now, if you were to aerisol the gas, like your carborator does, then it would get real effective real quick. But the second problem is finding a spark plug cable long enough to go down past the engine and into a can. Not very likely.

Moreover, this is the kind of childish, shortsighted, bullsh!t I would expect from an Ashida Kim a$$ monkey. What a great idea. Blow up the guy’s car, possibly killing him, and everyone else that happens to be near the car. How smart. You really got him back. Dumb@ss.

If you want to have some fun with a car, where nobody gets hurt, I would recommend mixing a bunch of JB Weld up and putting it into a calk tube. Put the tube into a calk gun. Remove each spark plug and squeeze as much JB Weld into each hole as possible. (you can do the same thing with a large guage syringe) Then, JB Weld the plugs back into place. Make sure you do it late, so that it sets good overnight. Nobody gets hurt, and that engine is permanently fu(ked. You spent about 5 minutes and 5 dollars.

JWT

If you pr!ck us, do we not bleed? If you poison us, do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge? If we are like you in the rest, we will resemble you in that the villany you teach me, I will execute, and it shall go hard but I will better the instruction. MOV

The Gurkha motto is “Better dead than a live coward.”

words to live by (or not).

JWT,
You cannot say you took my joke about the car seriously!
chuckles and shakes his head

Yes, I pride myself on my ability to destroy large objects easily with household supplies, so I get my quills up pretty quick on that subject.

JWT

If you pr!ck us, do we not bleed? If you poison us, do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge? If we are like you in the rest, we will resemble you in that the villany you teach me, I will execute, and it shall go hard but I will better the instruction. MOV

Do what fighters do that are training for a fight. Depending on your Sifu, letting him know can be bad or good, only you know that.

Train for the fight. Pick 2 people out of your school with the same builds and spar them repeatedly until you are comfortable with fighting people their size. Then, spar them both at the same time, of course start light then get more aggressive and pull less punches as time goes on. Your not looking to win with you sparr partners, rather develop a strategy, a gameplan. Action=reaction, 2nd nature reaction=even better. Also, when it is time to fight- make sure you have great intent. I dont care what anyone says, but I say " the heart follows intent" if you keep getting up(if you are getting beaten)and standing up to these guys during the fight-showing heart, you will only have to face this fight once, instead of everytime you see them.

Shaolin36

I had the same problem, just try and have some boys when you go somewhere. I would bring a wepon around. I like brass knuckels, harder for them to disarm you and its ez for you to break there nose with a nice shot.

My advise ( for what it’s worth )

  1. Get in the first punch. Face or groin, but make it count.
  2. Keep punching, don’t stop until your opponent is down.
  3. Wear hard shoes. When he goes down, start kicking, don’t stop until he’s out.

I call this ‘Fighting 101’.

When you’re smaller, you have to be meaner and more agressive.

If the fight is unavoidable, then the object here is sudden violence. Strike first and strike hard. Rely of your power tools - knees, elbows, the cross, headbutts if you know how to properly use them. Don’t let his size intimidate you, just go in and get the job done. Don’t run and look for a weapon, but if one is accessible, then by all means use it. You do want to be careful when you close though - If he is alot stronger than you, then you can believe he will try to wrestle you down if he can. If he can control your body, then he doesn’t have to worry about your strikes as much and possibly try to ground and pound on you - only there will be no ref to stop him…

“You ain’t got enough calcium to have a bone to pick wit me,
like a Gracie, I’ll choke a ***** out wit his own gi” - Rass Kas

Use his strength/size against him. If he charges you, dont try to hold your stance and stand the storm, twist off the center-line. Don’t stand there and be the typical victim. Don’t get rigid and completely defensive. Don’t know how much that helps but thought I’d put my thoughts down. :slight_smile:

A big boy will tend to want to grab a smaller person. Move quickly and maintain your space. Go in, move laterally and get back out.

If you are afraid of fighting ‘anyone’, you give them the edge even before you have begun. Have confidence in your ability and ‘just do it’.

On a side note, you might want to train with larger classmates for our training HAS to reproduce a variety of situations, that is why fighting should be a challenge of Time, not skill vs skill. I want to end the fight (by whatever means) as quickly as possible. I couldn’t give a rats-ass if there were 1 guy or 2, or the guy was a frigg’n tank. If I have to fight, then I want to end it as quickly as possible. And keep in mind, everything ebbs and flows- we all will lose some time…call it one of Life’s harder taught lessons :cool:

Good luck. Don’t be a fool, but don’t back down when your space is invaded.

nospam.

Thanks guys

I appreciate all of the advice. It’s all very logical and reassuring(I was thinking along similar lines). Also, for the levity, thanks, it keeps me sane. :slight_smile:

Bruce Leroy- This started for two different reasons. The bigger of the two(and the football player) is pretty much just an @ss. He was harassing a female friend of mine and I told him to stop. He then turned on me and it went from there. He hasn’t done anything yet and I’m thnking it was just to save face but it still worries me. He does have a reputation. The other guy is a neo-nazi type who thought it would be fun to pick on the “*** dancer” (I take a dance class for PE credit. But if anyone knew the benefits of being the only guy in a class filled with FINE women, most of whom are cheerleaders, and staying to the back of the class, I would be praised :cool: ). Either way, he started messing with me and I’m not one to take a lot of smack from ANYONE. I did that as a freshman and I refuse to do it ever again. Needless to say, he didn’t like being made to look stupid in front of his buds, so he’s been trying to give me a beating for a while now and means to cash in with interest.

Nospam- you’re exactly right. That’s what I’m most worried about. I know I stand no chance if I just stand there and trade blows, and I’m not sure I have the strength to lock them or take the fight to the ground(especially if I’m on bottom). I think I worry about bullrushes most. The only way I can think of to counter(aside from moving if possible) is to go up and over the guy. I would try a sprawl or something but a 230# guy with that kind of momentum won’t be easily stopped.

I used to carry a 3.5" knife at all times but after a while, I didn’t like it because it cut me off from people and it made me feel like I was constantly looking over my shoulder so I stopped. I still train with it though. I have no fear of using weapons( in fact I’ve often purposely stood near rocks and clubs that I could easily grab in case it was necessary) but I just don’t like carrying one.

Violence of action is a wonderful suggestion. I figure that once something is going to turn violent, I better do it FIRST, HARDEST, and MEANEST so that I don’t have to do it again. I figure that if I’m at a middle distance, I’ll “shoot” in and go for the guys knee, striking from an angle to smash/dislocate or start for his throat and go over the top of him. Part of the problem I have is that I dislike getting in fights because I’m never sure if I can stop once I start. It’s just the way I am. So I try to keep situations from getting to that point. I just wonder if my rage is enough this time. I have managed to avoid a number fo fights because word has gotten around about the way I fight and the fact that I like to use weapons and never fight fair. Smash one guy’s head into a locker while beating him with a 40# backpack and they just don’t mess with ya. :wink:

I don’t think anything will come of this, but I keep thinking about the possibility of another verbal confrontation, except that the next time, it may be settled with violence.

As an ironic side note, I find it funny that on the way to school Monday, I stopped to talk with the abbot of a local Buddhist temple who is running a seminar on non-violence as a resoluiton to conflict.

So you see guys, my situation is one where I refuse to run(on grounds of principle) and I’m not altogether sure I can win. All of your advice has been helpful and I promise that should anything happen, I won’t give up, I’ll hit first and hardest, and if I don’t win, I’ll get up and try again until I do. I refuse to back down. That and I’m reassured now that a number of my friends(all of whom are bigger than me or fight dirty) have given me support and are watching my back (just as I would for them).

I like the ideas you’ve all given me so perhaps we could keep going with the discussion of what to do when outsized/outnumbered?
-ZC

“The thorn pricks only those who would harm the rose.”