I guarantee you that Yodsaenklai can kick harder than that TKD guy.
The test is bogus, you cannot compare different styles with different people.
I know a wrestler that can punch harder than a boxer. its all depsneds on the individual not the style.
estwing did a study of hammer hits and they used different hammers but the same contracter to get which hammer pounded in nails easier.
I think a more comprehensive test would be to take a selection of non-martial athletes with similar baseline kick scores, and teach them each a different MA curriculum. Also have one guy just practicing on a bag without coaching.
Have them put in equal amounts of training time, then measure their kicks (or punches, if that’s what you’re measuring) again. The difference should more closely indicate which MA develops a certain tool more rapidly.
Capoeira had the best kick. The TKD dude won on virture of speed not technique.
[QUOTE=EarthDragon;1038379]The test is bogus, you cannot compare different styles with different people.
I know a wrestler that can punch harder than a boxer. its all depsneds on the individual not the style.
estwing did a study of hammer hits and they used different hammers but the same contracter to get which hammer pounded in nails easier.[/QUOTE]
i think you would need to use alot of people and use averages…
yeah the capoeira kick was the best one…
i’d also like to see them all agree on one kick that they would all do…
Never get an American kickboxer/MMA guy for a KICKING test… western style MT really doesn’t train their kicks as hardcore as Thai fighters do. Thailand is all about kicks/clinchwork, for the most part, with more or less rudimentary boxing.
[QUOTE=SanHeChuan;1038383]Capoeira had the best kick. The TKD dude won on virture of speed not technique.[/QUOTE]
Force=Mass x Acceleration
I do hope that “internal” guys won’t look down on “external” guy’s Fajin method after watching this clip.
i’d like to see the same study with hands and more styles represented… internal and external…
[QUOTE=SanHeChuan;1038383]Capoeira had the best kick. The TKD dude won on virture of speed not technique.[/QUOTE]
Ok, that’s was funny !
[QUOTE=Syn7;1038494]i’d like to see the same study with hands and more styles represented… internal and external…[/QUOTE]
I was involved in study like that over a couple of years, done at York University.
Multipel people from multiple systems and it was tested on Static targets liek this study but in the second phase, it was tested on dynamic targets" Ie: a suited up and padded guy during a sparring match.
The info was passed on to a few sports federations to government agencies for new guidelines into protective sporting gear.
re: the TKD vs. Muay Thai comparison…
lol
A few years back I experimented with Muay Thai. I had a handful of idea about how their kicks were different and went into the class trying really hard to emulate the “Muay Thai style” round kick. Now I also did about 4 or 5 years of TKD back in the day. One day hitting the pads and getting only lukewarm critiques, I said to myself “aw fuk it” and just reverted to my old TKD training.
Suddenly my pad holder said, “Alright. Now we’re talking. Much better.” . . . .
Since that day I realized that there’s no real mystique about round kicks. It’s just f-ing round kicks. The Thai guys are still way better fighters because there’s more to a system than just the round kicks but at the very least, the Muay Thai round kick mystique has worn off for me.
Kicking is kicking.
one of the variations of the round house i learned in tkd was very similar to the thai one so the mystique was never there for me lol:D:eek:
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1038510]I was involved in study like that over a couple of years, done at York University.
Multipel people from multiple systems and it was tested on Static targets liek this study but in the second phase, it was tested on dynamic targets" Ie: a suited up and padded guy during a sparring match.
The info was passed on to a few sports federations to government agencies for new guidelines into protective sporting gear.[/QUOTE]
results???
[QUOTE=omarthefish;1038525]re: the TKD vs. Muay Thai comparison…
lol
A few years back I experimented with Muay Thai. I had a handful of idea about how their kicks were different and went into the class trying really hard to emulate the “Muay Thai style” round kick. Now I also did about 4 or 5 years of TKD back in the day. One day hitting the pads and getting only lukewarm critiques, I said to myself “aw fuk it” and just reverted to my old TKD training.
Suddenly my pad holder said, “Alright. Now we’re talking. Much better.” . . . .
Since that day I realized that there’s no real mystique about round kicks. It’s just f-ing round kicks. The Thai guys are still way better fighters because there’s more to a system than just the round kicks but at the very least, the Muay Thai round kick mystique has worn off for me.
Kicking is kicking.[/QUOTE]
there is ZERO mystique, it’s just that CMA guys are so trapped in their own little worlds and delusions and they get hit/see something that looks like a baseball bat swing and think zomg powerful, like they never seen it before.
all Thai roundhouse is opened hips/hip thrusting. the kick cuts forward, the shin gets slammed forward. also there is no chamber.
most MMA guys don’t do it right either.
the thing is not WHO has the most power, but who can deliver the most power if he is equally skilled in all of those kicking methods.
i have felt all sorts of roundhouse kicks, chambered and unchambered, from all styles… and when actually sparring/holding pads no round kicks still feel as heavy as a perfectly executed Thai style kick (especially with the step-in/driving pivoting leg).
[QUOTE=Syn7;1038682]results???[/QUOTE]
AH dude, this was about 5 years ago for the first study and 3 years ago for the last one and I posted some info and no one cared so…
all Thai roundhouse is opened hips/hip thrusting. the kick cuts forward, the shin gets slammed forward. also there is no chamber.
MINIMAL chamber, not NO chamber, this gives the impression of a “stiff or straight” legged kick and it isn’t like that.
Different round kicks exist for different purposes.
The TKD one is a longer distance kick, though they have the shorter disatnce “triangle kick” as well.
The MT is a more middle distance one and the karate one is. should be used from punching distance.
That is why they are done differently.
The “mystique” behind Muay Thai kicks is due mainly to two groups, MMA and sport fighting nut huggers and traditional guys who studied a crappy system that did not teach proper kicks. The switch kick is the “only” kick I learned in Muay Thai that I did not know from my Kung Fu training. Granted it is awesome as hell and made it worth the time studying, but aside from that every Muay Thai kick I had learned in Kung Fu.
Teep is a front thrust kick. Roundhouse in MT was a power roundhouse in Kung Fu. Knee drills and clinch work I trained in Kung Fu under our Knee Sequence drills, although I admit the MT drills were better and I learned much from them.
The point is there is nothing mystical about Muay Thai, it is a very basic, very hard core, and very effective striking style. That being said, kicks such as side thrust, hook, and ax kick I use effectively and have caught MT guys with because they have never been exposed to them. This in not at all dowing MT, it just brings up the point that there are other styles that utilize kicks just as well and have techniques most standard MT does not.
For those of you who say those high, flashy kicks don’t work, please ask any of the MT guys who fought the late, great Andy Hug how those kicks felt.
Andy Hug also trained full-contact fighting from way the hell back to his K-1 career… he never used those high flashy kicks in “point-fighting.”
You can make almost anything work if you’re athletic and skilled enough, and got the experience…
You can make almost anything work if you’re athletic and skilled enough, and got the experience…
That’s just crazy talk !
LOL !
Andy was kyokushin by the way 