[QUOTE=wiz cool c;1198633]the point of this topic ,is that kung fu is being taught this way. not to foreigners taking short trips here paying a **** load of cash ,but to people who are chinese and live in china.[/QUOTE] Who really expects to learn a lot of kung fu on a week vacation? When I was at Shaolin, we’d have tourists roll up all the time. Heck, I was there when Sin The’s group visited. Tourists always take their token lesson, or maybe even a few lessons, and pay exorbitant prices for it. Any local knows how to take a tourist anywhere in the world. That’s not at all limited to the martial arts. But kung fu takes time. A short study trip, even a few months, only scratches the surface.
As for being Chinese, well, there’s a certain advantage to having the cultural heritage. Personally, my upbringing definitely gave me a jump on those who didn’t know squat about Chinese culture and made all sorts of faux pas. For example, I didn’t wince at the delicacies served at special banquets. At the same time, I know plenty of non-Chinese that got much ****her than I ever did. There’s is an advantage there too, as an earnest non-Chinese that gives plenty of face stands out amongst Western tourists.
I think Gene had been around long enough to know this but the way they teach even to the locals have changed over the years. There are enough wealthy Chinese in China today to justify “Western style” schools where American students and Chinese students are taught exactly the same way.
People teaching in the village courtyard with local “social workers” interpreting is a thing of the past. Not sure that’s a good thing. I thinks things got left behind with the “Progress”. Training is more accessible but it’s not the same training. Am I making sense?
update, i paid for the private lesson to learn the applications[150rmb per hour,very reasonable price],and had my first today. it was a great class and i feel satisfied. my only regret is the next generation won’t get this. cause i asked my teacher out right about learning this stuff and pay extra for it. as i mentioned before they don’t teach this stuff as part of the regular curriculum.
as for why don’t i got home. cause i like living in china. it is interesting to have a class all in chinese,helps to learn about the culture which kung fu comes from. there are many other reasons as well.
i am just saying in china they tend to do things one way and one way only ,and this is the state of kung fu. if there are other schools out there teaching traditional fighting still it is most likely cause they are teaching foreigners coming from abroad to learn and paying a lot for it. as i said before i have been living here for 6 years ,i have seen a lot of teachers. some do a little application occasionally.most do none. and very few if any do any sparring.[not including sanda or shuai jiao]
Good Kungfu is in . There are some good instructors even in schools but people who want to learn traditional Kungfu seriously don’t usually go to schools.
please guys save the bull****,i have trained in all kind of places. actually this is the first school i have trained in.well the shuai jiao school in beijing was a school but for live in full time students that trained 6 days a week 4 hours a day.and out in the village in an army buncker. by the way they sparred and competed and all that.
In your 3 years in Guangdong, have you checked out any of the schools (commercial or not) in Foshan, Nanhai district? There are at least 6 or 7 different styles and 15 to 20 different schools there. Hong Kong, Guangzhou? There are so many! I lived in China for 5 years and Guangdong for 2 (I’m guessing this year thing matters?), learned what I wanted until I had too much, and never paid that much.
Foreigners are going to be charged more for applications, or whatever they want to study, or for basically anything, whether they are tourists or living there. They make and have more money for the most part. No different in China than going to Thailand to train, fight, or watch. They even have a line for foreigners wanting to watch fights at Lumpinee stadium…
You pay more rent than most Chinese people do as well…
This idea that Chinese people are not being shown applications, I can see it, that is for those students who want to learn techniques and their teachers saying, “just do Sanda or Shuai Jiao.” But that just isn’t the case for all. I wouldn’t even say that it is for most.
It is usually like that for the arts you have mentioned studying though. Funny that I guess.
Of course, if you have been studying anything for 6 years, and you cannot find the applications yourself, or can but just don’t want to, and want to pay someone 150 rmb just to see their applications…you might want to reconsider what it is that you are doing. That is unless you just want to see things how they see them? There are only so many ways that the body can move though, right?
I don’t see the big deal of paying more than Chinese in China. I give private lessons and routinely charge my Chinese students double the typical amount. It all evens out.
[QUOTE=wiz cool c;1198773]150rmb per hour,very reasonable price[/QUOTE] That’s only $23.84 USD for an hour private. You couldn’t touch that here in the states. Most private lessons starts at 3x that here.
[QUOTE=GeneChing;1198870]That’s only $23.84 USD for an hour private. You couldn’t touch that here in the states. Most private lessons starts at 3x that here.[/QUOTE]
thats a weeks wage for a farmer. even after economy boom still like 3 days wage
[QUOTE=B.Tunks;1198973]It sounds like you have received exactly what you have asked for.[/QUOTE]
getting charged wads of cash to learn special stuff no other student learns
[QUOTE=bawang;1198974]thats a weeks wage for a farmer. even after economy boom still like 3 days wage
getting charged wads of cash to learn special stuff no other student learns
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He lives in Shenzhen not a village! I don’t know when you left China but now even an average Ayi can make 3000~5000 RMB a month just to make ends meet.
As for other kinds of private classes in the expensive Chinese cities it costs 200~300 for a Chinese student to learn math from a good teacher or learn English from an average native speaker(professional teacher). It costs 100~200RMB to learn Mandarin from a good teacher. 100 for low level piano teachers, …
A good MA teacher needs to work on his skills way harder than these people so 100~150 is not really too much for this kind of market in expensive Chinese cities.
No different in China than going to Thailand to train, fight, or watch. They even have a line for foreigners wanting to watch fights at Lumpinee stadium…
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First thing I learned in China was never pay more than a third of whatever they quote you and your still getting ripped off…(merchandise not Kung Fu)…
My favorite part about Thailand is the two prices posted on their National Parks, the low price written in Thai…and the farang rate in English…
