vib rator is a forbidden word?
Also how do we get the movie industry to stop with the wire work?
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Rogue, Soke and Senior Grandmaster of Southeast American Brazillian Bagua Combat Chi jitsu Kempo Karate Do and Choral Society.
The only tactical principle which is not subject to change; it is,
Wirework is pretty bad, but even more important is bringing back the tracking shot. No more quick-cut closeups! You know if you make a martial arts movie, you should at least show some martial arts, even if they are fake.
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Guys, if you ever want a decent kung fu tv show, it’ll come out of a flawed pilot, just like all other tv shows. IF the show gets picked up, the actors will become more proficient with their kung fu, the writers will have to work in more, etc. However, this is a tv show, and tv, by default, is shallow. In fact, the end(turn the villain to your side instead of killing/beating him) is more inventive than most tv. The fighting was very good FOR A TV PILOT, I didn’t like them writing out Billy Zane’s character at the end, but what can I do?
The missing fifth element is, I assume, a part of a future plot, but for a TV pilot, it was quite good. I suggest you guys watch some of the pilots for shows you like sometime. X-File’s pilot is utter trash, little better than Friday the 13th the series, and you’ll find this true across the boards.
It has potential, but it is TV, and a pilot at that. I must say, however, that the female element needs to get more athletic, or they should get a more athletic actress to play her, as she’s just not kung fu enough.
As far as ripping off Highlander or Matrix, Matrix ripped off its stylistic elements from Hong Kong flics and Chow Yun Fat(sp?) flicks, and Highlander is an idea taken straight from the biblical fate of the progeny of Cain. However, TV does suck, so I understand the dislike of the pilot, but it is a pilot, it is TV, and if you don’t like crappy entertainment, then perhaps TV isn’t the media for you. 
City, your toast will never go unbuttered again! -The Tic
Chang Style Novice…
Yeah JL worked pretty good. I was hoping for just a tad more oomph in the characterizations (like Batman Adventures had and Grant Morrison proved you could pull off in team books like Doom Patrol and JLA)
Bruce Timm has a knack for pulling the right archetypal stuff out, making it ‘safe’ for kids and still pleaseing our inner geek.
I agree about the pacing problems, but hopefully they’ll pull through that. It’s going to be different pacing a team story - I dug the Gardner Fox style pacing - a real tip of the hat to the past, but at the same time really clunky.
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does not surpass his
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=“-1”>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Budokan:
I am now putting Nich Gunn (the person who alerted me to this movie by posting this thread) on my sh*t list. I WASTED 2 HOURS OF MY LIFE watching this monkey-puke of a movie!
Budokan wants revenge…
K. Mark Hoover[/quote]
You do realize you could have changed the channel right?
Not to burst your bubble, but I don’t think that fifth element is going to sho anywhere in any series…because Billy Zane said he killed him at one point in the movie when he’s explaining the other four people’s destiny…of course they DID bring back that one guy with magic.
I don’t know, though, I can’t really see a show based on this.
No bubble burst here. They left a dangling plot element, and, predictable as TV is, they will undoubtedly fall back to that plot element in the future, assuming the show is picked up. The element would be wood, correct? Perhaps a kung fu adult film star?
City, your toast will never go unbuttered again! -The Tic
However, I do feel the type of storyline they set up is somewhat limiting. Billy Zane is gone, and the four just what, wander around looking for people to enlighten? Doesn’t take much wandering, and less kung fu. Basically a super hero group who does kung fu.
Still, right now, I don’t see any better options for some TV kung fu, and this one actually manages to fit in buddhism as central to the plot.
Here’s a question: What shows do you guys watch, and what defines them as being better than monkey dung?
City, your toast will never go unbuttered again! -The Tic
Where did they get the cosmological elements from was my question.
Chinese has the elements of :
Metal
Fire
Wood
Earth
Water
They had the elements
Fire
Water
Air
Metal
and an undescribed 5th element which I can only assume would be wood and where did air come from and what happend to earth? Are these Japanese elementals?
It was a hodge podge of superficial cosmoligy.
I’ve always been a proponent of peace and love as weapons. Ever since I read the art of war, where Sun Tzu clearly states:
“The best way to defeat your enemy is to make him your friend”
Totally makes sense to me.
Good line in the show “Can we go have a beer now?” hahahahahaha.
It was fun, take it for what it is. There is almost never any “good” martial arts on film. Good martial arts don’t have the flair required to be entertaining. They are in fact quite “dull” to watch. To rapid and to the point.
peace
Kung Lek
I thought the guy who was metal(the asian guy) was pretty good, seemed to be a warrior. The woman, and I commented on this before, was not good enough. The australian guy was passable, and the guy who was fire did a decent job in performing the fight choreography.
The element thing was kind of strange. I’m not sure why they went that way, but its TV, and so synonomous with poop. I can’t think of a show that doesn’t fulfill this relation, even my favorites. X-Files? Well let’s see, they’re obviously making conspiracy upon conspiracy off the cuff and trying to tie them all together, but there’s no real continuity and the main characters behave according to a furmula that does not change from episode to episode, so yes, poop.
Hell, I can’t think of any other TV fiction I like, other than the Tic, and that is true culture, clearly above TV both intellectually and spiritually.
City, your toast will never go unbuttered again! -The Tic
Change the channel?
Sorry, but I’m not capable of that movement you speak of.
K. Mark Hoover
Kung Lek
Chinese theory had the 5 elements (earth, metal, fire, water, wood), western/european/anglo theory had the four elements (earth, air, fire, water). Maybe they decided to use a hodge-podge of the two? 
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You’re fu(king up my chi
the commies did it
They started with wushu hsing I and tai chi, then went on, they changed the 5 elements so that they won’t work. Another controling factor of the PRC. Jet Li learned from them and passed it on to popular culture.
Did they use weather balloons to control the weather?
City, your toast will never go unbuttered again! -The Tic
Maybe this show will turn into captain planet?/
LET OUR POWERS COMBINE EARTH, WIND, FIRE, WATER, HEART
LOL! that was funny!
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Shows we watch and reasons for them being better than monkey poop…
Well, I don’t watch a lot of TV anymore. There’s not a lot that interests me being made right now. You know, it’s because of that, that I started writing my own stuff. Maybe when it’s done I can have it produced. I just picture the ideas being made as short films, though, not television shows.
sam, a small tip. heard this from a film maker once in regards to short films.
“a short film is a single idea, fully explored”
so no subplots or heavy twists or layers in a short, just one idea, fully explored. Kinda like a kung fu move
peace
Kung Lek
Kung Lek…
For at least one of the stories I am working on, that idea is profoundly helpful.
“…a single idea, fully explored…”
I like that.
Thanx, man.
Invent-Simple…
Advertising … with flying guys swinging swords of light, 2 famouse co-producers and Ta Daaaaaaaaa you have every sword loving martial artinst in the country tuned in to watch the bigest bomb ever. What a loooooooser!!
And what was up with Zane? Was he trying to pull of a version of Crotchless Tiger -Hidden DragQueen with the eyeliner?
And the Elements, he actually called them that!! Sounds like a group from the 60’s. A real insult to anyone that knows about Flow of Qi cycles . Air? Well Ohh Kaaaaay… she was alright for a Dancer… As far a s I know the 5 are Fire, Earth,Metal,Water,and Wood.
I howled at the New Age tie in as well .. Check out the symbol in the pool. http://www.floweroflife.org/folsymbol.htm
They hit every angle in this one. Phewwwwww it hurts.
I do not have to mention the sword forms right?
Nuff Said.
Rash words are like sword thrusts, but the words of the wise bring healing.
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