sounds like a good plan to me…
I’d guess that every situation is different , and different attackers will not all be the same, I don’t know, I am not a street fighting expert, who is? Who are the guys with hundreds of street fights supposedly? If you get blasted that’ll **** you up, yeah
dude you carry a gun on you everywhere you go? wtf.
Everywhere I am allowed by law. I am what I consider the “modern” martial artist. I can use martial arts but I believe in being able to escalate as high as it needs to go. Would the old-school Chinese, who developed martial arts, view the gun any different than a sword, spear, or arrow? Its just another weapon to train. Plus, this isnt Kung Fu the mini-series and I am no monk. Life is unscripted and doesnt play by the rules. Plus, I love it when people joke, “Yeah I’ll just shoot you.” Of course, I typically choose to keep it a secret, its sorta funny to chuckle inside when they assume I wont/cant shoot back.
This was a shock to me…then I noticed you were from texas…
Yeehaww! If it means anything to ya, I was born in International Falls, Mn. I was ALMOST Canadian. lol 
LOL…AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
curious question… have you guys ever fought in a fight before or came to someone’s aid and fought of they’re attackers?
I’ve stopped purse snatchings, broken up fights, I’ve submitted someone who tried to jump into a fight, once controlled a guy by wrapping my belt around his neck from behind. lol I’ve never had anyone help me though which ****es me off. Bastages… They always said, “Yeah I was just about to jump in…” Pfft.
Originally posted by Losttrak
They always said, “Yeah I was just about to jump in…” Pfft.
lol, kinda makes my opening to this post sound ghey now…where I pretty much said the same dam thing. 
Thanks Losttrak heh
Only thing is, I WOULD have stepped in…but in the time it took me to figure out those kids werent foolin around with that guy, to the time he jumped on the dam bus…I had just enough time to scratch my ass.
Hehe. In that case it was better to err on the side of caution. If you hadn’t, he would have been on the bus and YOU would have been holding the bag, so to speak. There is no answer. Just follow your instincts. If your instincts get you killed, its fate I guess. What can ya do right?
I saw that very thing once in Annapolis. A bunch of frat boys were mouthing off to a lone skateboarder. The kid talked back. Things escalated. (I didn’t see it from the start. But I have a difficult time imagining that the lone skateboarder rolled up to a group of about 15 frat boys and started talking sh*t.)
Next thing I know, one of the frat boys grabs the kid, slams him face down on the hood of a car, turns him over on his back, and grabs him by the neck. (Not choking him. But pinning him pretty effectively.)
I stepped in. Said enough was enough. Another frat boy steps up and pushes me. I froze. Sad but true… Actually not so sad. It gave a third frat boy time enough to come over and tell me the first two were undercover cops. Good thing I froze.
Why two undercover cops were required to arrest one teenage skateboarder remains a mystery. As does the need to flip the kid on his back after the cop already had him face down on the hood of the car. But I wasn’t really in a position to pose that question.
The moral of the story: It’d be nice if the bad guys wore black hats and the good guys wore white hats. Because getting involved in a serious situation, you put a lot at stake. And sometimes doing that, without having the facts, can go drastically wrong. (Hell, if I’d been somewhere more hardcore than Annapolis, I might still have spent the night in jail.)
Stuart B.
Originally posted by Unmatchable
[B]
Your a coward. And you call yourself gangstersfist. [/B]
You know how many times I wish to be stabbed?
Zero…
Feel free to jump in on fights you have no idea what they are about with weapons involved. It was more than likely drug related. The street I used to live on was pretty shady, and I saw lots of drug deals go on all the time. Therefore, it wouldn’t even be worth my time in the first place.
For all I know they could have had guns, but decided not to use them because it was broad day light and out in public with witnesses (ie my roomate and I). So they used knives instead.
You call me a coward, thats fine. I would say it was the intellegent thing to do. We just called the police cuz I did not want anyone dieing from a stab wound on my front lawn.
Am I honorable for my actions a few years ago? Maybe. John and I were seriously outnumbered, totally unarmed, and utterly untrained in fighting. If it hadn’t been for the fact that the assailants in this case were only emboldened by the fact that their target was alone and a woman, they probably never would’ve started anything at all. Our mere presence was enough to deter them. If it hadn’t been, we would almost certainly have been completely ineffective and possibly gotten a trip to the hospital.
On the other hand, I really hate intolerance and bullying, and so I figure it’s a fight worth fighting. When its a fight worth fighting, you gotta fight.
Re: re
Originally posted by Unmatchable
Ive seen a robbery take place in mid day while I was drinking beer with my gangster friend, first a guy screamed Polive and got punched in the face (2 guys did this they robbed an old man and a old woman) and my friend just stood there watching and smiling while they ran right by us with purses. I kind of was mad but didn’t feel like chasing them or fighting them. My friend afterwards said “you got to do what you got to do to mae it.” We were walking by later and the old guy had a bloody nose.
:rolleyes:
but then you call gangsterfist a coward because of what he posted?
I’ve been in this situation lots of times. Most of the time, it does not get physical, but it has happened a couple of times. I try not to fight if I don’t have to. It looks like some of you guys think that is *****…I happen to think that it is admirable, and actually the goal of martial arts. :o
Anyway…the first time I intervened, I was 14 years old. My buddy Rob and I were in our Tae Kwon Do class. Now granted, at 14, I was 5’9", and about 170lbs. I was bigger than most adults at the time. Anyway, we were in class, and we saw some guy beating his girlfriend across the street. Now this is in Los Angeles (San Fernando Valley - Woodland Hills, to be exact). We told our instructor to go stop him, but he feared retribution against the dojo. So, like two dumb 14 year olds, we each grabbed a pair of nunchakus, and ran across the street.
We ran up in between them, swinging the nunchuks like idiots, and telling the guy to step back. We were so pumped, we probably would have killed the guy.
So what thanks do we get? The AT&T guy who was up on the phone pole next to us, yells at us and tells us to leave them alone…the guy who was beating the woman cusses at us…AND THE WOMAN WHO WAS BEING BEAT THE **** UP, YELLS AT US!!! I will never understand women…stupid ass *****. :rolleyes: So we left her to get her ass kicked some more.
The next time I remember, was when some big ass guy was about to fight a friend of mine at school. I think we were juniors. By this time, I had studied Tae Kwon Do, and Muay Thai. We were walking down the hall, and he threw an elbow to my buddy’s chest. Now this guy is like my brother, and I’d do anything for him. So anyway, they both spun around and got in each others face. This guy was WAY bigger than my friend, bigger than me even, but I didn’t care. So I dropped my backpack, walked around my friend, grabbed the guy by his collar, slammed him into the lockers hitting the back of his head, spun him around instantaneously, slammed his face into the locker, and lifted him up, sliding him up the locker. He sat there with his face buried in metal, talking about “let me go and I’ll beat you down!!!” By this time, the whole hallway was cracking up, so I let him down, backed up, and got into my Thai fighting stance…and he grabbed his bag and walked away like a *****.
The next time was at a party. This one, all I wanted to do was stop the fight. It was a 5 on 12 fight. My buddies were the 5…but they are all pretty tough guys, and these others were frat boy pussies. Anyway, I came downstairs, and started grabbing people…my buddies, and the other guys, yelling to break it up. One frat boy sucker punched me right in the side of the head. When I turned around, he was right in my face. Too close to do much of anything, so I threw and elbow into his temple, and he fell on the ground and slept for a while. I broke up the fight after that. My girlfriend was there, so I didn’t want to fight at all…just wanted to break it up, but I had no choice.
I have intervened with someone I don’t know twice, though. One time was at a mall…and there was one small hispanic dude, and 7 white guys. Most likely white supremacists, but I didn’t stick around to ask. They were punking him, and I felt bad, so I stopped and said that they’d have to get through me first. Probably not teh best thing to do, but I was feeling frisky. They didn’t do anything, so it was cool.
The last time was at TGI Fridays. There were these DRUNK ass guys punking the security guards there. I was with a buddy who is a federal cop, and I asked him if he wanted to intervene. By that, I meant kick the crap out of these guys if they threw down. He did, of course. He then went to flash his badge to the security guys so they knew that he wasn’t going to hit them…but one of the drunk guys saw it, and FREAKED out. You should have seen his face…he went from total hardass…to, “Oh ****, I’m going to jail” *****. That stopped it.
As much as I preach about staying calm and peaceful…I’ve gotten myself into a lot of fights, but I try not to. I’ll NEVER start a fight. Ever. Even if you talk **** to me, and don’t stop, I won’t hit you because of it. I will only fight if someone hits me, or if someone touches me. Other than that, I’d rather just walk away, but sometimes you don’t have that choice.
I have a lot of stories still, I used to be a bouncer at a club on Sunset Blvd., and there are tons from there, hehe
Originally posted by apoweyn
[B]I saw that very thing once in Annapolis. A bunch of frat boys were mouthing off to a lone skateboarder. The kid talked back. Things escalated. (I didn’t see it from the start. But I have a difficult time imagining that the lone skateboarder rolled up to a group of about 15 frat boys and started talking sh*t.)
Next thing I know, one of the frat boys grabs the kid, slams him face down on the hood of a car, turns him over on his back, and grabs him by the neck. (Not choking him. But pinning him pretty effectively.)
I stepped in. Said enough was enough. Another frat boy steps up and pushes me. I froze. Sad but true… Actually not so sad. It gave a third frat boy time enough to come over and tell me the first two were undercover cops. Good thing I froze.
Why two undercover cops were required to arrest one teenage skateboarder remains a mystery. As does the need to flip the kid on his back after the cop already had him face down on the hood of the car. But I wasn’t really in a position to pose that question.
The moral of the story: It’d be nice if the bad guys wore black hats and the good guys wore white hats. Because getting involved in a serious situation, you put a lot at stake. And sometimes doing that, without having the facts, can go drastically wrong. (Hell, if I’d been somewhere more hardcore than Annapolis, I might still have spent the night in jail.)
Stuart B. [/B]
They probably lied and weren’t cops at all.
Originally posted by Gangsterfist
[B]
You know how many times I wish to be stabbed?
Zero…
Feel free to jump in on fights you have no idea what they are about with weapons involved. It was more than likely drug related. The street I used to live on was pretty shady, and I saw lots of drug deals go on all the time. Therefore, it wouldn’t even be worth my time in the first place.
For all I know they could have had guns, but decided not to use them because it was broad day light and out in public with witnesses (ie my roomate and I). So they used knives instead.
You call me a coward, thats fine. I would say it was the intellegent thing to do. We just called the police cuz I did not want anyone dieing from a stab wound on my front lawn. [/B]
They almost killed the guy fro crying out loud and you didn’t even say anything to try stopping it. As a martial artist you have the duty to help others.
Re: Re: re
Originally posted by SevenStar
[B]
:rolleyes:
but then you call gangsterfist a coward because of what he posted? [/B]
I witnessed a robbery not a multiple person beating a guy to close death.
Originally posted by Unmatchable
[B]
They almost killed the guy fro crying out loud and you didn’t even say anything to try stopping it. As a martial artist you have the duty to help others. [/B]
See, that is where you are wrong. I did save the guys life, I called the cops. An ambulance came.
I am not about to put my life in jepordy for something that may very well not be worth it. If I die, then who I am useful to then? My family can’t rely on me for anything, my friends and work can’t either. Even if I did step in, it would have been 4 of them with knives, versus me. I was unarmed.
Being a martial artist makes me well aware of my mortality. I have learned many techniques that are very brutal, and realize they can just as easily be applied to me. Stepping into that situation not only would have been dumb, it also could have ended my life as well. If you think you can take on 4 guys with knives then you are not only certifiable, you are also very ignorant to your own mortality.
Originally posted by Unmatchable
As a martial artist you have the duty to help others.
They must have forgotten to print that on my school membership card.