The terrorist was on fire, good for him. If I was the lucky guy to tackle him, I would make him beg for his life, then his death. Disaster averted, thank god for stupid terrorists.
Stupid tango started his day out thinking he was on his way to 70 virgin land and instead ended up in the burn unit. Priceless.
Stupid tango started his day out thinking he was on his way to 70 virgin land and instead ended up in the burn unit. Priceless.
Yep…made my day.
Gotta be happy with the individual result…
but it’s worrying. Even remotely political/extreme Islamic terrorists have an agenda: why would they wait till Blair’s left and not give Brown (who wants out of Iraq ASAP anyway) a chance? Before most extremists said that UK citizens were game because the populace voted Blair back in… you’d have thought the ****s would’ve given the new admin a chance…
But they didn’t proves that this is the new breed of fucks who believe in just destroying anything non-Islam, or more specifically, non-ultra-extreme. Just like al qaeda in Iraq exacerbating trouble between the Shia and Sunni and blowing up the ancient world heritage sites that the US army didn’t already concrete over for their bases.
I hope that it’s mostly disgruntled ex-druggie isolated ****heads rather than well organised units of nutters. It would appear so so far.
BTW, what’s a tango?!
[QUOTE=Mr Punch;774837]Gotta be happy with the individual result…
but it’s worrying. Even remotely political/extreme Islamic terrorists have an agenda: why would they wait till Blair’s left and not give Brown (who wants out of Iraq ASAP anyway) a chance? Before most extremists said that UK citizens were game because the populace voted Blair back in… you’d have thought the ****s would’ve given the new admin a chance…
But they didn’t proves that this is the new breed of fucks who believe in just destroying anything non-Islam, or more specifically, non-ultra-extreme. Just like al qaeda in Iraq exacerbating trouble between the Shia and Sunni and blowing up the ancient world heritage sites that the US army didn’t already concrete over for their bases.
I hope that it’s mostly disgruntled ex-druggie isolated ****heads rather than well organised units of nutters. It would appear so so far.
BTW, what’s a tango?![/QUOTE]
This assumes a 24 (the show) level of nuclear-capable organization that just doesn’t exist outside the land of fairy tales and fear mongering garbage.
[QUOTE=n00854180t;774840]This assumes a 24 (the show) level of nuclear-capable organization that just doesn’t exist outside the land of fairy tales and fear mongering garbage.[/QUOTE]WTF are you talking about? Where in my post do I assume that?
Mr. Punch, just the notion that Blair being out of power will suddenly make all extremists rethink their positions. I mean, key word is “extremist” here after all.
I guess maybe I’m just tired of all the fear mongering garbage (US media for instance…ridiculous) that gets tossed around constantly. It’s worse than with the almighty “communist threat” these days.
[QUOTE=n00854180t;774846]Mr. Punch, just the notion that Blair being out of power will suddenly make all extremists rethink their positions. I mean, key word is “extremist” here after all. [/quote]Ah, OK, I get ya. But no, I didn’t say ‘all’: I do think there is a difference between terrorists and their motives. There are terrorists like the leader of the 7/7 bombings who had a relatively good upbringing, no lack of money/home comforts etc, and became a terrorist through what he saw as political motivation: that of foreign policy in Iraq, and continued support from civilians of Blair/Bush. However cracked this may be, at least it shows an agenda and some kind of albeit faulty logical thought process. These are the kind that would hopefully rethink a little with the change of admin.
Compare these to the 'kill-everything-non-Moslem-that-moves" kind: they ahve no political agenda, and believe that culture, heritage and human identity, history and feelings are somehow against their perverse view of God… this would seem to be the first instance of this variety on UK soils, rather than the political ones or the radical hatemongers in a few isolated mosques that stir up the trouble but wouldn’t do anything themselves.
Thus it’s a slightly worrying trend.
Unless, as I said, it’s just dissaffected ex druggies and drop-outs, which would be the third, and more reassuring example I would think.
I guess maybe I’m just tired of all the fear mongering garbage (US media for instance…ridiculous) that gets tossed around constantly. It’s worse than with the almighty “communist threat” these days.
Oh yeah, fully agree with you there. Communism was a real danger at one point, but a very short period, after which it was extremely blown up in the media and by the govt, and it’s surely the same here. All the alert colour schemes and the laughably named ‘Cobra’ anti-terrorist unit or whatever they’re supposed to be. Bloody kids!
Of course ironically the states is making the same mistakes in the war on terror as they did during the cold war which fostered the rise of militant islam :rolleyes: Ignoring human rights abuses by countries who are willing to trade information with you, or indeed sponsoring their human rights abuses because it suits your ends is blinkered, and self defeating, , on top of obviously immoral. It also puts the UK in a difficult position because we can’t deport our radicals because they’re at risk of torture in their home countries :rolleyes:
We’ve been bombed before, we’ll be bombed again.
[QUOTE=rogue;774818]Stupid tango started his day out thinking he was on his way to 70 virgin land and instead ended up in the burn unit. Priceless.[/QUOTE]
How can I get there, and what do I have to do?
And are the chicks hot?
I can find 70 virgin chicks on any color guard team…but it doesn’t mean I’d want to.
Tango = “T” in the phonetic alphabet used by the military in the US. T = Terrorist.
I had an interesting discussion with a guy that used to be psyops in the Army. He said “Tactical psyops - dropping surrender leaflets and such - almost ALWAYS works when backed up by the threat of real force. At the theatre level it’s a little harder…strategic psyops… well…”
I said “you wanna know what strategic psyops is? Strategic psyops is TELLING THE TRUTH.”
His response “Thank you. That’s exactly right.” It led to a related conversation about how part of telling the truth is making your rhetoric true - ie, when you’re claiming to be the “shining city on the hill,” you can’t have guantanamo bay. And also about how the reason that telling strategic psyops is telling the truth is because people in less free states around the world - the places that threats eminate from - have their bull**** detectors set to extremely sensitive, because they deal with government censorship, conspiracies and propaganda constantly, and have to deftly sort truth from fiction.
It’s going to take at least a decade, and probably longer for the US to recover from all of this, in terms of international reputation. sigh
A couple of good first steps would be for us to sign on to the ICC agreements and also to allow the red cross in to inspect and embed themselves in both our military detention centers and prisons, and perhaps even our civil ones.
How can I get there, and what do I have to do?
And are the chicks hot?
I can find 70 virgin chicks on any color guard team…but it doesn’t mean I’d want to.
Why would you want to be with 70 Nuns
[QUOTE=Merryprankster;774884]His response “Thank you. That’s exactly right.” It led to a related conversation about how part of telling the truth is making your rhetoric true - ie, when you’re claiming to be the “shining city on the hill,” you can’t have guantanamo bay. And also about how the reason that telling strategic psyops is telling the truth is because people in less free states around the world - the places that threats eminate from - have their bull**** detectors set to extremely sensitive, because they deal with government censorship, conspiracies and propaganda constantly, and have to deftly sort truth from fiction.[/QUOTE]
Which came first 9/11 or Gitmo? What’s wrong with Gitmo and saying the US is a great place? Gitmo is a POW camp plain and simple. Since the POW’s in question don’t belong directly to a state they fall into a grey area, but these non-state entities are very much at war with us. Simple solution to Gitmo; Give up the war against the West, and either join the world community or go live in a corner where you won’t bother anyone. Do that and Gitmo could disappear. And if gitmo is so bad would it be better to squeeze them for what they know and then give them free sky diving lessons for their trouble?
[QUOTE=Ben Gash;774856]Of course ironically the states is making the same mistakes in the war on terror as they did during the cold war which fostered the rise of militant islam :rolleyes: Ignoring human rights abuses by countries who are willing to trade information with you, or indeed sponsoring their human rights abuses because it suits your ends is blinkered, and self defeating, , on top of obviously immoral. It also puts the UK in a difficult position because we can’t deport our radicals because they’re at risk of torture in their home countries :rolleyes:
We’ve been bombed before, we’ll be bombed again.[/QUOTE]
Well Ben, we could always invade them, topple their leaders and try to set up some form of democratic government. 
Nah, it’ll take twenty years before that happens 
Yeah, it is a pretty far fetched idea.
Rogue, you won’t find a more ardent opponent of “American politics caused 9/11,” than me. Apart from the proximate cause being individual choice, Qtub outlined modern global jihad goals and the need for offensive operations in 1964, in “milestones” or “Waypoints.” Let’s just say there is no “political” solution to their issues with us.
What’s my problem with gitmo?
Holding people indefinitely without charges.
If you want to argue it’s a POW camp and they can be held until the end of hostilities, you have just lent credence to their status as soldiers in a legitimate resistance movement. I don’t want to do that.
Charge them or don’t, but this process has to work faster. Also, allowing the red cross to embed themselves would show we have nothing to hide.
I believe that the Taliban are soldiers that can be said to be a legitimate resistance movement. They were at least once a somewhat legitimate government in Afghanistan, at least as far as those things go in that part of the world.
That leaves the AQ and it’s hanger ons. No direct government connections, no real beef except to bring down anybody not like them and a manner of operation that would make the folks that brought us Buchenwald blush. What do we charge them with?
AQ Handy Work
IMO I can’t figure out any punishment that fits their crimes.
“It’s going to take at least a decade, and probably longer for the US to recover from all of this, in terms of international reputation. sigh”
hmmm, couldn’t we simply invade and take over, like descent warmongers-and any country that has an objection, we simply say,“We’re lowering oil down to 10 bucks a gallon for allied nations-or if you like you can pay the current price-who’s with us?”
Bigger than Bin Laden!
It seems to me that that d@mned ‘Mr Big’ is responsible for most of the troubles in this world. Somebody ought to put paid to him for once and for all.