I’m not confused. You have to understand that Ip Man changed the actual art when he came to Hong Kong. In hong knog, he have to teach a lot of stupid people, he have to change the art to hong knog people can understand wing chun. if you compare old style wing chun and todays wing chun, you can see that the main land virsion has a lot more flow. Hong Kong wing chun look like karate.
Rene Ritchie - Sorry, i’m not a student of sifu Lo or Chow. It’s true that all basics are the same. But, it the advance stuff that counts.
it is alwayas a turn off when someone posts about another styel being more DEADLY, possessing more CHI, POWER, SPEED, wheneveri hear that type of stuff, it tells me that the person posting doenst’ know what they are talking about, china wc to be more deadly, ok how so? More pressure points? what? they use more power? oh yeah, how about, it’s closer to SHAOLIN, ohok, MONKS< 34th generation,
shi yan gming, shoigou louin or whatever his name is, he is a monk so he has to be good right? bald head, chinese certificatse? wing lam, now where did he learn his wing chun? OK, hay say fut hahaha, SECRET SYSTEM, leung ting, SECRET CLOSE DOOR STUDENT, yeah sure bud. NAME A SIFU who does ANY TYPE OF WC and lets see if he’s good or not, I dont care if you call it " Secret plum flower red boat wing chun" that doest not matter cause it’s just a NAME, lets touch hands and see if they have any substance.
TSUI SEUNG TIN is good. very good.,i metthe guy he’s knows his stuff really well, and his boys are good as well. BUT YOu dont’ see him having a fat ego like leung ting, edmibin bozoteepee, etc etc, who start beef everywhere, chris chan eetccc VLAH BLAHHH. yada yada.. you can quote me on this,
these teachers are nto good.
wing lam
leung ting
edmin bozotopeetepe
chris chan
leekam wing
jon funk
RAUL ORTIZ haha,
i can keep going and going, augustine fong etc etc
Do all of these non-Yip Man lineages all trace themselves back to Ng Mui and Yim Wing Chun?
Where along the family tree did these other styles originate from? Did they develop totally independently and in parallel to the Wing Chun that Yip Man taught?
[QUOTE=kal;728561]Do all of these non-Yip Man lineages all trace themselves back to Ng Mui and Yim Wing Chun?
Where along the family tree did these other styles originate from? Did they develop totally independently and in parallel to the Wing Chun that Yip Man taught?[/QUOTE]
From what has been explained to me by my master, Gm Ip’s earlier students are different as he evolved in his style as time passed - subsequently creating these differences :rolleyes: .
Though a large portion of mainland china VT also comes from other branches of the family tree which originated from Leung Jan.
Leung Jan was famous in his time for Kung Fu and most places he would go people would want to learn from him “a famous master”. However if your teacher is just visiting your area and come and go on a regular basis then the learning takes on a different form.
People added a little here and there depending on thier own ideas and/or experience and these differnces slowly began to grow larger and larger through the generations…
One can see the similarites between the mainland and HK styles but i personally believe the two have deviated in the most important part of VT - which is the formula or theories… like mentioned before mainland VT has more circular actions, slightly different support points in body structure due to this factor, that affects timing (however small or large) etc etc…
I will certainly admit my exposure to the mainland styles is limited but these were my observations, just one mans opinion - i def wouldnt be saying one is more deadly than the other, thats for chumps to say
“the mainland china WC forms are in one countinus flow. There is no “step one, step two, step three…” drills. when techneques are in a free flow motion, there are more energy, since there is nothing helding it back.”
This quote - in my mind anyway - shows a lack of experience in HK VT and more of an observation from the sidelines. :rolleyes:
Why do you bring Lee Kam Wing and Jon Funk into a wing chun discussion. They are Mantis guys. Opinions are like arseholes, everybodys got one and most arent worth S**t. If you have touched hands with these people then fine, your opinion might be valid. I have touched hands with Lee Kam Wing and he could teach most wing chun people a lesson or two! (although not a wing chun guy his fighting skill and strategy would suggest otherwise.)
If you have not been a student of these people how do you know they are not good teachers?
Some of the mainland stuff is great and some of it is crap! Its the person applying the wing chun that makes the biggest difference. Wing chun should teach you to think for yourself and your mind will largely dictate how good your wing chun is!
like paul said, you cannot criticise someone without witnessing/knowing first hand. And even then, your opinion is JUST an opinion, and it so happens that you are the minoriety anyway…
