Las Vegas. Anyone here go there or know anything about them other than what is provide on their site, flyers,etc.? Thank you.
Can you provide a web link, the one I found isn’t connecting. The only information I could find was on yelp.com and from the discriptions of students who trained there it seems to be an average martial arts school. If you’re looking for Shaolin try http://www.kungfuchan.com/
It’s a good school run by a senior classmate of mine.
http://www.myspace.com/lohanschool
Do they teach real authentic kung fu or is it the flashy wu shu with all the acrobatic crap?
It’s a good school that has a few different styles in its curriculum. You should go down and check them out, that’s the only way you’ll know if the school is for you or not.
[QUOTE=mkriii;857363]Do they teach real authentic kung fu[/QUOTE]
i think you should know the answer to that based on the name of the school alone.
and what almost a ghost just said.
Thats the problem with these kung fu schools that are opening up and owned by a “Shaolin monk”. They are claiming to teach authentic traditional kung fu but what they are really teaching is the flashy wu shu style. What makes it really bad is that the students there think that it is authentic traditional kung fu.
more common are the schools that teach a number of different styles that have nothing to do with shaolin gongfu- traditional nor modern, but call their school shaolin.
sometimes those styles are real chinese styles, like hunggakyun or mantis styles, and the teacher is a “master” of all of them, as well as the internal styles of baguazhang, xingyiquan, and various taijiquan systems, but sometimes they are just karate in a gongfu suit.
either way its not shaolin but is being passed off as such. there are certain red flags. once you’ve seen the fraud game in the martial arts world for long enough you begin to pick up on them right away. especially if you know what’s going on as far as traditional gongfu in shaolin right now.
any school that claims to teach the full shaolin luohan system, along with several other styles, is one such school to be weary of.
if you notice, their symbol has a mantis on it, and the taiji symbol (yinyang) which has nothing to do with shaolin or buddhism. and it also talks about southern animal styles which are popular styles among frauds for the cool & authentic factor. and of course they use the shaolin name.
there are enough red flags here, i think. this is one school i think i would ignore. i’d rather do modern prc wushu with some shaolin kid monks.
if you notice, their symbol has a mantis on it, and the taiji symbol (yinyang) which has nothing to do with shaolin or buddhism. and it also talks about southern animal styles which are popular styles among frauds for the cool & authentic factor. and of course they use the shaolin name.
I don’t know much this will alter your opinion but the head Sifu does teach northern and southern forms but goes the extra step and makes the distinction and explains why he has a few southern forms but favors the northern systems. This isn’t a guy with a hodge podge of forms he learned at various seminars/handful of shaolin trips/school jumping/learn at home programs/etc, and it’s really sad to hear him be grouped with such people.
can you name the styles he teaches and his lineage in them and why they are called “lohan school of shaolin”?
[QUOTE=LFJ;857943]can you name the styles he teaches and his lineage in them and why they are called “lohan school of shaolin”?[/QUOTE]
If you look at their myspace page you’ll see the list of styles and the names of some of the people they trace their lineage to.
http://www.myspace.com/lohanschool
This is also the myspace page of the school’s Sifu Steven Baugh with pictures of him with some of his teachers.
http://www.myspace.com/sifudashi
Why are they called Lohan? Don’t know, you’ll have to ask them.
[QUOTE=Almost A Ghost;857957]If you look at their myspace page you’ll see the list of styles[/QUOTE]
yes, as expected.
shaolin, wudang, mantis, yang style taijiquan, chen style taijiquan, baguazhang, xingyiquan. :rolleyes:
Why are they called Lohan? Don’t know, you’ll have to ask them.
i’m afraid i know the answer.
seen these too many times.
Sorry…
Just wanted your opinions about the school .I was in LV a couple of weeks ago and stopped in . I met a few people , not the master. They are doing authentic CMA . I liked it.Thanks .
[QUOTE=LFJ;857911]more common are the schools that teach a number of different styles that have nothing to do with shaolin gongfu- traditional nor modern, but call their school shaolin.
sometimes those styles are real chinese styles, like hunggakyun or mantis styles, and the teacher is a “master” of all of them, as well as the internal styles of baguazhang, xingyiquan, and various taijiquan systems, but sometimes they are just karate in a gongfu suit.
either way its not shaolin but is being passed off as such. there are certain red flags. once you’ve seen the fraud game in the martial arts world for long enough you begin to pick up on them right away. especially if you know what’s going on as far as traditional gongfu in shaolin right now.
any school that claims to teach the full shaolin luohan system, along with several other styles, is one such school to be weary of.
if you notice, their symbol has a mantis on it, and the taiji symbol (yinyang) which has nothing to do with shaolin or buddhism. and it also talks about southern animal styles which are popular styles among frauds for the cool & authentic factor. and of course they use the shaolin name.
there are enough red flags here, i think. this is one school i think i would ignore. i’d rather do modern prc wushu with some shaolin kid monks.[/QUOTE]
What is to beware of is someone like yourself who has strong opinions based on a lack of knowledge…
The Lohan School is headed by Master Stephen Baugh. The man is a good natured Dharma practitioner. A former student of Ken Hui of the Northern Shaolim, A long time student of Kam Yuen of the Tai Mantis Association and a couple of other respected traditional teachers. He is sincere in practice as he is in instruction and he is respected in the REAL traditional martial arts world.
Tis best sometimes that if you do not know what you are talking about to maybe just STFU.
I do hope some of you people who type a lot and practice a little can try to stop being such big mouthed hatters. Stop creating problems and start contributing some positive elements to these martial art forums.
Practice Wu Di Martial Virtue. Martial art is about raising the spirit and increasing consciousness. it is not about petty competitive musings and attempting to gain undue influence, power and control over other people.
WWWII
it also about being honest.
[QUOTE=LFJ;858346]it also about being honest.[/QUOTE]
Okay? You are being honest about what? Honesty would be you saying that you know nothing about the school? Many traditional schools in Chinese systems offer a curriculum based on the learnings of the teacher. For instance my teacher’s teacher was originally a Hung Ga exponent from HK but he had friends from other styles and they exchanged. Our main style is Northern Shaolim, but we also practice a few sets from 7 Star Mantis, Cha Fists and other essence styles. Being familiar broadens the scope of the practitioner and offers a series of options. Although my teacher is a Northern Shaolim Exponent these other styles are included in or course curriculum.
Is this a red flag? No this is our school.
so, you’re going to honestly tell me that this one guy is a master of 7 or 8 different systems?
baksiulam, hunggakyun, chen style taijiquan, yang style taijiquan, baguazhang, xingyiquan, and then however many styles of praying mantis?
you can have experience in some. its easy to pick up a form or two here or there, but to have a deep understanding of their principles and the ability to effectively apply their techniques takes more than that.
i find it highly improbable. in china people dont cross-train so broadly like that. they spend years and years on one such intricate system to develop their skills to master the style. no one would try to master 7 or 8 different systems. and some of them are completely different! its not that easy. and even if they have a little experience in those styles, they recognize that they havent put the dedicated time into each of them to be able to teach the system competently. especially when you have masters of those systems to do that- and if you’ve only learned a form or two, its kind of a joke.
i saw some videos by the way and it looks like just that. the chen style taijiquan looks like they were just going through the movements. like you learn a form easily. just move your body in another way. and it was quite stylized too. i’d only expect the rest to be the same. technical knowledge of the forms but no deep understanding of the principles or application ability.
but the biggest red flag is the name of the school. “lohan school of shaolin”? explain that one, please.
none of those styles have any direct relation to the shaolin temple, but the name makes money. i understand.
but most importantly no one knows the full luohan system anymore! so claiming to teach a full luohan system of shaolin, and naming your school off of that, is complete bs, even if we give them the mastery of all the other styles. this is just not possible.
[QUOTE=LFJ;858503]so, you’re going to honestly tell me that this one guy is a master of 7 or 8 different systems?
baksiulam, hunggakyun, chen style taijiquan, yang style taijiquan, baguazhang, xingyiquan, and then however many styles of praying mantis?
you can have experience in some. its easy to pick up a form or two here or there, but to have a deep understanding of their principles and the ability to effectively apply their techniques takes more than that.
i find it highly improbable. in china people dont cross-train so broadly like that. they spend years and years on one such intricate system to develop their skills to master the style. no one would try to master 7 or 8 different systems. and some of them are completely different! its not that easy. and even if they have a little experience in those styles, they recognize that they havent put the dedicated time into each of them to be able to teach the system competently. especially when you have masters of those systems to do that- and if you’ve only learned a form or two, its kind of a joke.
i saw some videos by the way and it looks like just that. the chen style taijiquan looks like they were just going through the movements. like you learn a form easily. just move your body in another way. and it was quite stylized too. i’d only expect the rest to be the same. technical knowledge of the forms but no deep understanding of the principles or application ability.
but the biggest red flag is the name of the school. “lohan school of shaolin”? explain that one, please.
none of those styles have any direct relation to the shaolin temple, but the name makes money. i understand.
but most importantly no one knows the full luohan system anymore! so claiming to teach a full luohan system of shaolin, and naming your school off of that, is complete bs, even if we give them the mastery of all the other styles. this is just not possible.[/QUOTE]
What is Mastery Bro? Are you a Master of Martial art? Can we see some video of your Chen Style? People below your level will applaud & those above you will smile knowingly. Do you think everyone who teaches Martial art is a Master?
Ask any person you feel is Master and he will tell you he is far from being a Master. You don’t have to be a Master to teach an art. If you practice long and patient, if you pass your knowledge along from a sincere space with a good heart with no intention to misrepresent your art, IMHO that is a good thing. It keeps the arts alive.
Why are you so bent on talking badly about someone you do not know LFJ? He owed you money or killed your dog?
I have met him. He is a decent man rooted in the love of the art with very little apparent ego. If you feel really strong about it, go to Las Vegas and pick a challenge match. If he looses tradition states he must abandon his art, then of course you could return here to gloat and hoot about how badly he sucks! I hate LV but I’d come to cheer you both with my jujubees and popcorn!!!
a simple answer to the straight question would suffice.
we’re talking about honesty and authenticity. being a good fighter does not mean you can apply the techniques and principles from several different styles. call me a purist but i do believe in cross-training. i just dont buy that dojo-hopping qualifies you to teach any specific art you’ve touched.
and keeping with the subject of honesty and authenticity as i said, even given the mastery of all those completely different systems, the shaolin luohan bit is bs. and given that, my overall impression of the school cannot be expected to be much greater. with or without increased knowledge of what they do or how wonderful a father the guy is.
and if there’s no simple answer to the straight question but to suggest we put up the dukes, well that would only further prove the point and i’ve been known to be a fraud-buster in the past. but only in my neighborhood. they’re literally everywhere. but if they’re on the net, pointing out their bs is fair game.