The thing with this whole thing is if there was a sifu out there you could teach “light skill” and how to jump onto rooftops and walk on walls don’t you think he would be making a fortune from all the kung fu “wackos” out there wearing the shaolin temple robes with the flutes on their backs. You know the ones I am talking about you see them at the tournaments looking like they just came from a Star Trek convention.
They would flock in droves to learn. So if they are out there they are truly missing their opportunity to get rich.
I have to agree with David on this one, not everyone is in it for the money. The late Si Gung, Lum Sang See, if he really had the light skill’s so many claim to have witness, I dont think you could have “bought” them from him. Lum would have never taught a non-Chinese for any amount of money. Look at the mess Jook Lum has become since his death. Perhap’s his reasoning not to teach any but Chinese was well founded, American student’s have tarnished what ever good he did for the system while he was alive. There are many good teacher’s out there that would rather have one good student to pass their art along to over a pile of money. It’s called integrity.
I agree with you whole hardedly, however look around even on this website you have tapes of people teaching “iron crotch” for god’s sake. So while I don’t agree alot of people are “for sale”.
For sale or not I still don’t believe in the supernatural of kung fu. People can belive what they want. But really explain to me what levitation has to do with kung fu, oh wait maybe he had profound expertice in “fom pei kung”.
Peace
P.S. Chin Chung Cao as far as the story you referred to about jumping down from a 2nd story is a bit different and more believable. There are ways to land and roll that allow this.
Was Lum Sang the only one to know the “light skill”?
I seriously doubt that. If you talk to every style practitioner they would have a si gung, sifu, si bok, grand poobah…who has light skill and every other skill you can name.
If light skill is true, then Lum Sang couldn’t be the only and final person to know it.
So, logically the next question is where is the other people who know it?
Well, your answer is that they don’t show it because of integrity.
So, logically again, then you are assuming that everyone who knows it HAS integrity then. Otherwise we would see it in the Olympics.
Ok…knowing what we know about corrupt police, politicians, physicians, judges,…and all these other occupations/positions that have power mixed with money; not to forget about the pride and power of the Chinese Government and Chinese people themselves, if “light skill” is demonstrated in the Olympics.
I ask you does it seem rational to assume every old KF master has no ambition for fame, fortune, money,…?
If your answer is yes, well…then I have a “Big Bridge” for sale, just for YOU!
No one ever said that Lum Sang was the only person to learn light gung fu. Only that the few people alive that actually practiced it were dying off. I seriously doubt that any are alive anymore. I only pointed out that there are many out there teaching that money means very little to. No one said that all teacher’s are incorruptible, only that many dont put money ahead of finding a good student. Stories of Light gung fu have existed in the martial art’s for a long, long time. And like most storie’s have some bases in truth. Unfourtunatly most, if not all, who practiced this type of gung fu have passed on. Just another small part of the whole that has been lost down through the year’s. CLF Nole is correct, there is a lot of nonsense being passed off as “real” gung fu, and there will always be the blind that will buy into this crap without doing the research. If there is one thing I’ve learned over the years it would be not to pre-judge anything until you have the opportunity to check it out for yourself.
Unfortunately, if this was the case, we’d never know what kung-fu masters are capable of or not…same with so called spirital masters who can apparently materialise objects (see the hundreds who claim this ability in India).
More important question is, why do you want to believe in such a thing? Ask yourself, why would it be important if it was true?
I accept that ‘light skills’ might be possible, although accounts of how light these abilities make you is the real bone of contention.
Saying that yogees or spiritual masters can levitate and use their mind to go outside of conventional physics, well this reveals you to have a belief system that is not grounded in reality. Literally:)
Reality isn’t grounded in our primitive understanding of it. Scepticism without enquiry is a form of ignorance.
I have information which I’m prepared to trust but it doesn’t matter if it’s wrong because I’m not living by it. For me, it’s a case of wait and see or one day going to find out.
“Only that the few people alive that actually practiced it were dying off. I seriously doubt that any are alive anymore.”
How convenient.
I say again. Lets say “light skill” is real and Lum Sang knew it. By default, he won’t be the only one NOR THE LAST, because what one person can accomplish so can another. Even if we are talking about naturally gifted people.
So again where are they?
I don’t pre-judge at all. I say show me. I use logic, and it is illogical to believe in such stories.
Sure light skill exists, but not to the extent of the fairy tales spun by your sifu at the kwoon. Jumping higher than Dwight Stone in the Olympics? I say bulls!t alert.
I hate to disaggree Chin Chong Cao but Grand Master Lam Sang did teach a non-asian taxi driver who once helped him and one of the last five was half Haka and half Black.
Thanks for the info Sam, I knew about the Taxi Driver, but it was my understanding that he was only taught a little by a few of Lum’s student’s, not Lum himself. There’s quite an interesting storie behind the Taxi driver. The other gentleman I didn’t know, thank’s again for sharing that info.
I accept what David says. Alot of high level kung fu was lost when the Shaolin temple burned down. Ask yourself this, the chinese were the first ot invesnt the parachute, why would they need a parachute if they didn’t have aircraft. It must have to soften the landing of those that can jump 100s of feet up into the air.
The chinese were also the most advanced in science and medicine, however, they still relied on kung fu. why? It must be because in parallel to their scientific developement, they came across a form of bio-energy called chi. They were able to train iron body, iron crotch aw well as dim mak techniques. I’ve heard of accounts that masters were able to project their chi to disable their opponents.
However, it takes a life time to train to such a high level, which evcentually led to the down fall of the chinese when foreign invades came with mass number of troops armed with guns. The chinese didn’t have a concept of what’s known as mass production although they were able to produce high quality people in small quantity.
“It must have to soften the landing of those that can jump 100s of feet up into the air..”
LOL! That comment has brightened up my day.
David - I will stop trying to alter your monist perception of the universe..was trying to make sure you are aware of how easy it is to make something appear possible that isn’t, even if you witness levitation yourself. Personally, I don’t think will power or thought can influence gravity in any way, nor do I believe in the antics of people like Richy Mooney.
Youre right on the point that will power alone cannot counter gravity. However, chi is not just will power alone. It takes years of training, taking of the right herbal medicine that enables one to project their life force.
It is said that one shaolin monk is worth 1000 ordinary foot soldiers. You might think this is unbelievable but I would say extrodinairy. To “graduate” from the shaolin school of kung fu, they have to fight through 12 chambers of bronze men. In a sense, robotic opponents. chi (or energy based techniques) are about the only thing that could stop a charging robot.
“..chi (or energy based techniques) are about the only thing that could stop a charging robot.”
Lol! Ego, you are THE MAN.
I now have this fantastic anime style movie happening in my mind of shaolin monks being attacked by charging bronze robots..and the monks using only chi power to take out the intricate electronic circuits which power the robots. If only Disney would make this movie and have Steve Gutenburg as the lead monk.
Originally posted by Chin Chung Cao Is anyone here familer with or know anyone who still practice’s this form of Gung Fu? What are your thought’s on it? Fairy tale or reality?
