Am I such a terrible father because some **** came to my house wanting a fight and I went out to defend myself?
In general? Yes. Your responsibility was to babysit (protect) your children not get into a fight. If you were walking in the park with your family and someone wanted to fight what would you do?
Scyth, I agree with apoweyn, why were you chasing him down the street when you were supposed to be babysitting your kids?
reply to Rogue:
For all those that would just sit there and take **** from some twat completely bent on fighting with you and not do a thing, I praise you for your ability to sit on a floaty cloud and be the righteous ones…is it in fact that you are righteous or a bunch of pussies who stand there while others kick sand in your faces! that is a question only you guys can answer. If someone tried to attack me in any circumstances…yes walking in the park with my family then yes f**king right I would fight the b*stard, I would not just stand there and get beat up because of the fact i was with my family! If righteousness involves having your ass kicked then you can keep it!
Scythe.
What the guys are saying is that your FIRST priority should be your family, caring for them, protecting them and providing for them.
By getting involved in a fight you run the risk of injury, jail or even death.
Dead, jailed or injured people are not good providers and protectors.
I am pretty sure you knew beforehand about the guys attitude and it didn’t just blow out of the blue.
Part of being a MA is trying to handle a situation correctly and this might mean NOT fighting if it is the best option.
Being calm and in control is the prime attribute of any decent fighter.
Like I said, a Tape-recorders works wonders in situations as the one you faced,
I have used them myself and most people calm down very quickly when they realise that they are being taped and it can be used as proof against them.
Same way most answering phones can also be used to record conversations.
All it takes is a “hold on” and the push of 1 button.
Take care.
Since you asked what we would do…
Never said anything about not fighting, but leaving the house after calling the cops was a mistake, but we’ll carry on.
Let’s take a look at what IMO you did wrong.
So shut the door and went outside and waited for him at the end of my driveway.
A better method is to wait where he can’t see you or isn’t expecting you to be and if possible where you can approach him from his six. Gives you time to size him up, see if he has a weapon and see if he brought backup.
He turned up and stormed out of his car
Did you leave yourself in a position where he could have hit you with the car? Angry people do things on impulse and opportunity.
and came nose to nose with me and said something along the lines of ‘wheres my ****ing money’
You let a guy get that close?
with that I told him to sling his hook in not so many words. He then tried to headbutt me to which he did’nt get very far he then swung a couple and caught me not very hard though, so I lined him up and cracked him right in the head and followed it up with another. He then ran away like a little girl.
Good, end of fight, go back into the house and wait for the police.
I follwed after him calling him a little **** etc.
It’s at this point you crossed the line.
I agree Laughing Cow.
I wouldn’t worry about the kids seeing the blood and fight. They have to be aware of the violence that exists in society, and depending what kind of school they go to, may be in some altercations.
Depending on the maturity of the 11 year old, it might have been OK to stray away a bit. I used to babysit when I was 11. But it wasn’t good to be out of sprint range back to the house.
Scythe.
Imagine the following scenario:
While you were outside & chasing the guy down the road one of the Kids that you were babysitting got injured by doing something stupid and silly that could have been prevented with you there.
Would you blame the little ones injury on the other guy or on your own conduct.
Also you were on private property either your own or with permission on someone elses as you were babysitting.
If he tries to get in to get you, he is breaking and entering, plus by simply being on the property he is already trespassing as you didn’t invite him in.
To be honest I get the feeling that you appear to have a bit of an ego problem.
IME, the story sounds a bit fishy and way too much biased towards you.
People don’t just flip out like that and try to knock someones block of like over some money.
Especially when they got an established business relation.
I have dealt with some nasty customers myself, the worst one being a landlord that was the wife of a lawyer and thought she can do whatever.
We went to court see insisted on her Husband representing her, I told the court I object as he cannot be impartial due to their marriage.
That was accepted and another lawyer requested for her.
Case was dismissed 30 minutes later.
In this I used a small tape-recorder to record what she said that even her husband was not aware of(verbal abuse, threatening of my GF, etc.)
I am sure that there is a story leading up this event that was not told.
Like I said, IME, people don’t act like that without some serious provocations.
Cheers.
I’m still trying to reconcile…
I did not look for it it came to me
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I tried to catch up with him and get him to stand like a man and fight but he was gone I couldn’t catch him. The twat had left his car running outside my house, so I grabbed his keys so he couldn’t go anywhere. I then grabbed a jack handle out of the boot of my car and went to find him with the full intention of killing him.
Sounds like you met the fight half way.
:rolleyes:
Scythe.
What happened after that?
Did they guy ever come back to claim his car?
Did the police get involved at all?
Was a court case filed and held.?
Like rogue said, there are quiet a things you said that don’t add up correctly.
Laughing cow:
I am not in the habit of making up stories and if i was I would make one up where i did not take a smack in the nose!
As for your assumption that people do not act like that…wake up call …yes they do..this a**hole did! How you think its biased toward me I don’t know just cos I was the one who ended up seeing him off.
Rogue:
When i said I did not look for it I did not, but when it came I was not gonna hide I was going to take it too him.
Laughing cow:
Point by point I shall answer.
What happened after that?.. the police came after the neighbours called them and took the guy away and kept him in the cells for about 8 hours I made a statement trying to sway them into charging him with something hefty.
Did the guy come back to get his car?.. yes after the police released him they escorted him back to get his car and to avoid a breach of the peace.
Did the police get involved at all?.. see the above
Was a court case held and filed?.. No to my disappointment the guy had a previously clean record and was let off with a caution to which I was rather annoyed.
Things I say do not add up correctly?..What the hell are you talking about! I’ve said how it was, think what you like.
I guess you forgot to tell the police
I then grabbed a jack handle out of the boot of my car and went to find him with the full intention of killing him.
You have some issues you should get help with.
It must be nice to be so god dam perfect!
So you believe hunting a guy who you beat down so you can kill him with a tire iron is a minor character flaw?
You need help.
I prefer a crobar. 
Scythe.
No matter how much you tell the guy just flipped out like that with a clean record.
It still sounds very strange.
People don’t walk up to other people and try to beat them up unless there was some form of provocation.
Might be something you said to him during the Telephone conversation or something that happened earlier.
Cheers.
Laughing cow:
What you have to understand is that there are some very strange fu*ked up people out there.
I could explain the situation from start to finish but it is not really the point, the whole thing started as a civil dispute which should have been dealt with legally through the courts. The guy knew he had no case to get any money from me and was not best happy about it. I had him signed into a contract saying that I was not liable for any rent arrears from his tenant. What this dumb a**hole could not get through his thick head was that he should have been pursuing his tenant through the correct legal channels to try to recover his money. He obviously knew he did not stand too much chance of getting it from any quarter as to pay legal fees would have cost him more than the money he was owed and he was obviously looking for someone to blame.
Have you never just come across someone who is just a complete a**hole? not everyone is a normal rational human being if they were then there would never be a fight or war for that matter and we would all live in utopia.
I think what you did is wrong to an extent, you never know what the other guy might have done if scythe had not gone out and fought him…he might have came in and killed his kids. You dont know how peoples minds work, nobody does
I would lay my life on the line to protect my family and kill anybody who wished to hurt them. What scythe did was wrong but he was only protecting his loved ones
Have you never just come across someone who is just a complete a**hole? not everyone is a normal rational human being if they were then there would never be a fight or war for that matter and we would all live in utopia.
To be honest, no, I never have neither has anyone that I know.
I have met quiet a few tough and ready to fight guys, but never a guy like the one you mentioned.
If the guy went after you than most probably he saw you as weak and easy prey.
I think what you did is wrong to an extent, you never know what the other guy might have done if scythe had not gone out and fought him…he might have came in and killed his kids. You dont know how peoples minds work, nobody does
Now why would a guy that only wants some cash, all of a sudden want to kill a few kids and go amok??
I think you re shooting of into the deep end here.
As for protecting Family and kids, I can tell you that your tough ready-to-fight stand-point will change when you got a family of your own.
Or do you want to let your kids see their daddy beat someone up and so on.
Most women I know also don’t take kindly to men that fight a lot.
Seeya.
Ever hear of “road rage”? Yes, there are some dangerous and strange people out there who will attack you over even the slightest provocation.
RANT ON FOR ALL YOU SCYTHE DETRACTORS:
Ever been angry? Ever done anything irrational while angry?
If you can answer ‘No’ to both those questions, then your brain dead.
And while I’m being so offensive—I’m so sick of the wussies who are always saying things like,’ What if he had a gun?"…“What if he had a knife?”..“What if he had killed the babies?”..“What if…”. WAKE UP PEOPLE. Scythe told it like it is.
‘GO, SCYTHE, GO!!!’ It’s a shame our so-called ‘modern society’ has reduced us to a bunch of ‘tape recording’ defense experts. Fact is, some people deserve a good butt kicking.
It was barely 100 hundred years ago, before we all became politically correct, browe-beaten by the law, wussie Zen heads that if Scythe actually had beaten the guy with a crobar that Scythe might have been justified. And if that didn’t take care of it, Scythe could have killed him in a duel.
:RANT OFF
AND ANOTHER THING: Why try to read between the lines of his post? I thought it was about stand-up versus grappling and real fighting. Perhaps it should it be renamed Dr. Brazelton’s family care.
You’d better be MORE WILLING and MORE READY when you have a family–
Originally posted by Laughing Cow
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As for protecting Family and kids, I can tell you that your tough ready-to-fight stand-point will change when you got a family of your own.
Or do you want to let your kids see their daddy beat someone up and so on.
Most women I know also don’t take kindly to men that fight a lot.
Seeya. [/B]
Do you want to let your kids see their daddy getting beat up or worse?
Most women don’t want to get accosted or worse.
Hit decisivley, hit first, hit hard and without mercy and don’t stop until the obstacle is removed.
1renox.
I get a feeling you don’t have much life-experience.
The point is NOT not to fight but rather get beat up, but NOT to get into a situation where there is a need to fight.
Or to de-escalate the situation that there is NO need to fight.
NEXT time read what I wrote and don’t read what YOU think I wrote.
Your comment about women not being wanted to be acosted is a prime example of that.
Also your fighting strategy in your last posts shows your attitude and experience level in real life situation.
And your level of MA experience too.
In your case I think a RPG would be better suited than MA training for self defense.
My guess is you don’t have a Family yet.
Cheers.