Well, that’s true enough. I could well have jumped to conclusions.
I do that on occassion, making my sig line all the more apropos.
nothing wrong with being passionate about the well being of children. im with ya brother.
The biggest fault I see in your experience on your part is that frter he ran away you gave chase. Not only is this not very smart it caused you to get hit. If he is running then you have won. If you give chase it makes you the aggressor in the eyes of the law. Leaving your training behind is common so I cant hold that against you and I am glad you did not sustain further injury.
For everyones info the kids are between 11 and 3 years old.
Am I such a terrible father because some **** came to my house wanting a fight and I went out to defend myself? In my opinion if there was ever a reason to fight that was it! I’m not a trouble maker but if it comes to my front door I will get stuck in and deal with it not hide inside while someone is beating my door down.
There was no danger of the kids getting hurt, albeit this guy was a wanker he was not a child murderer, and even if he had been he would not have got close enough to cause any harm unless he killed me first.
My children are obviously my first priority over and above anything so please, everyone get off your high horses and put yourselves in my position!
In your position I would have called the police as soon as I took the phone call, rather than risk my children being traumatized or injured. What would’ve been the outcome for them?
How good do you look in the eyes of your kids chasing a guy down the street with a tire iron? How would it have affected them if you’d killed the guy and went to prison? What if you’d been killed or seriously hurt?
I think you’ve gotta rethink this entire altercation from the perspective of a responsible parent, because you sound more like a thug than I think you realize.
I had to read the original post again… and laugh again… now that the discussion is moving towards the ecology and environment of the fight.
If you can please keep all judgement in check until the end of the post then read on.
Before posting about what a thug behavior or irresponsible Scythe was(there are legal ramifications, plus the wellfare and example to his kids)…
…or how right he is to defend his home personally (isn’t that why we study combat technologies and martial arts? Because the responsability of our safety is in OUR hands?)…
Notice if you’ve had similar situations… associate into them, relive them… specially the emotional content… the indignation, fear and rage.
Now imagine being in Scythe’s situation…
If you have any Warrior mentality at all, you would defend your home and loved ones at all costs.
I would’ve had a stick, a bat, several knives and a gun nearby…
a deterrent show of power… as to civilize the situation. If he kept coming, a warning that the force might be used and an suggestion to talking. If he kept going after this…
“The knowlede of Combat and the livelihood of non Combat are the keys to Peace.”
The police can do nothing UNLESS he already messed something up. Law enforcement is not the same as Crime Prevention. Or even Life Preservation.
About responsible parenting… this post doesn’t go into such detail as to suggest anything in that direction, thus I don’t touch it.
Yet it is implied that this doesn’t happen everyday.
On a side note… if my kid says stories at school how his Dad chased down a guy that ran like a little girl… that would be really cool!
Thank you for the support evolving power.
In response to the all knowledgable Samurai Jack: for your information, to cover my ass should anything go off I had called the police straight after the phone call.
The police do not exactly rush out to your assistance unless something is actually happening. They must have thousands of calls every day about threatening phone calls alot of which probably come to nothing, you can’t expect them to come rushing to the side of every person who reports one of them.
Hence they did not arrive until two or three calls later from neighbours telling them what was going on.
To assume that I am a thug simply because once involved in a situation like that I will continue to fight by whatever means until one party can no longer continue is a generalization that you cannot make without knowing me personally.
If your reasoning is that one should under no circumstances ever fight then why on earth do you study ‘Martial’ arts.
If someone coming to your house to attack you is not a reason to fight then I don’t know what is!
Look, I’m actually assuming that you’re not the kind of guy who runs around looking for trouble, or I wouldn’t even bother to post a reply to your thread.
I was simply concerned by your lack of mentioning much consideration for your kids in this affair. Sure, I’m all for defending your home, your family, and yourself, but the instant you start chasing a guy down the street, you lose all legal and moral credibility. I suspect you already know that.
Also, the fact thet you walked out your front door and waited for the guy is another mistake I believe. It shows premeditation on your part, and therefore sets you up for more legal problems.
You also don’t have any witnesses to the initial stages of the confrontation. All your man had to say was that he came over to talk to you about rent, the two of you started to argue, you attacked him, and he tried to run away. All your witnesses saw according to your account was two guys fighting, then one trying to run away while the other went for a tire iron. Frankly, it’s amazing to me that you weren’t taken to jail yourself.
Finally, what effect did it have on your kids to see all this going down. Do you think it was good for them to see dad’s face covered in blood and his nose broken? Was it good for them to sit waiting for you in the house, listening to shouting, cursing, and god knows what outside?
This situation was not well thought out, and isn’t anything to brag about. That’s all I’m saying.
sj … if a guy just punched you in the nose and ran away you don’t think you’d go after him at least a little ways? maybe its not the smartest legal thing to do, but you can’t blame a guy for being pi ssed after sh it’s already hit the fan. i might be wrong, but i didn’t get the impression that he chased the guy all the way down the block either. more like from the house to the sidewalk.
“Also, the fact thet you walked out your front door and waited for the guy is another mistake I believe. It shows premeditation on your part, and therefore sets you up for more legal problems.”
i disagree. someone said they were coming over, he knew there was likely gonna be trouble, and he didnt want to give the guy even the slightest chance of making it in his house.
“Finally, what effect did it have on your kids to see all this going down. Do you think it was good for them to see dad’s face covered in blood and his nose broken? Was it good for them to sit waiting for you in the house, listening to shouting, cursing, and god knows what outside?”
i’m sure it wasn’t emotionally scarring. i think our society is getting really pussified regarding “emotional scarring.” i mean if it were an everyday thing, sure it would effect how the kid turned out, but seeing dad get in a fight is not going to turn them on to violence and crack.
i agree with what you said about the neighbors stories matching a possible fabrication though.
Scythe … i aint high or on a horse. though i may just have to fix one of those before the night is out. i just worry about kids. having an 11 year old watch out for the others is much different than leaving 4 infants in the house alone.
Re: Lets not f**k about
Originally posted by Scythe
A landlord I was doing some work for blamed me because a tenant did not pay his rent.
What ate the exact relationships to said landlord and his tenant?
You did some work for “A landlord” and he blames you for one of his tenants not paying the rent.
He phoned me in a rage and said he was coming round to get his money. I was in babysitting my 4 kids. So shut the door and went outside and waited for him at the end of my driveway.
This is the time when you notify the cops of a possible attack on you and put a tape-recorder/Video Camera handy to record everything that is said.
Getting a few witnesses is also a good thing.
Besides that the scenario you gave doesn’t make sense, I think that the situation was handled very poorly.
Just my thoughts.
Samuari Jack, The legal thing was not a problem, I was completely covered, I had called the police after the phone call telling them of my professional relationship with this guy and his threats.
As for me walking outside to wait for him, that in the police’s eyes did not pose a problem, after all you can’t premeditate someone coming round your house to cause trobule can you.
The only time I would have been in the sh it would be if i caught up with him with the Jack handle and beat the living crap out of him with it, hence the reason I thought better of it when I knew the police were on their way.
You’re right the situation was not well thought out, and the last thing I am doing is bragging about it… If I was I certainly would not have mentioned the fact i took a cracking shot on the nose would I?
Gunned down: I think we are on the same wavelength.
Laughing cow:
I was his agent, I collected his rent and passed it on to him. After the tenant left, they owed a couple of weeks rent which came out of their deposit, this **** sucker did not lose out, and should have pursuing the tenant legally…He was lacking one thing … a brain.
LOL I don’t think I was in FBI mode at the time so I didn’t have a wire handy and a vid camera. This thing happened within a few minutes so i didn’t have time for arranging witnesses!
Something like that happens on the spur of a moment you can’t plan your legal case before you’ve got involved in anything.
Those who are moaning about the way I handled this, it would be interesting to see how you would handle the same situation.
If he phoned me again, i would be outside waiting for him again…this time though the only thing i would do different is not allow him the space to get a shot in.
“Those who are moaning about the way I handled this, it would be interesting to see how you would handle the same situation.”
“SATAN KILL”
… dude runs away.
i like having a 100lb black shepard named satan.
not two seconds after i posted that the a sshole steps on my nuts. his friendly way of letting me know he’s got to go pee.
LoL, there are advantages and disadvantages of having a huge dog!
>laughs<
I have a 40kg German shepard as well..
Although I think I would end up defending her rather than the other way around :rolleyes:
She does her best job when she can safely bark at you from behind the fence 
Originally posted by Scythe
[B]For everyones info the kids are between 11 and 3 years old.
Am I such a terrible father because some **** came to my house wanting a fight and I went out to defend myself? In my opinion if there was ever a reason to fight that was it! I’m not a trouble maker but if it comes to my front door I will get stuck in and deal with it not hide inside while someone is beating my door down.
There was no danger of the kids getting hurt, albeit this guy was a wanker he was not a child murderer, and even if he had been he would not have got close enough to cause any harm unless he killed me first.
My children are obviously my first priority over and above anything so please, everyone get off your high horses and put yourselves in my position! [/B]
Relax chief. No you aren’t a terrible father. But yes, I do consider that a big mistake. You went out there to defend yourself: Fine. Trouble came to your front door: Fine.
But then you beat the crap out of trouble and it left your front door. That’s where it should have ended.
I’m not really thinking he was a child murderer either. But children have babysitters for a reason. And if that reason were primarily ‘child murderers’, babysitters would probably be a lot bigger and a lot better armed.
As for getting off my high horse, you posted a story about an altercation looking for feedback. What do you want me to say? If all you wanted was praise for your insights on streetfighting, I’m sorry. I just don’t think that’s the most salient part of this story.
Stuart B.
Neurotic … as he gets older he’s actually becoming much more aggressive to strangers than i ever intended. i haven’t decided if i like it or not yet, but i definatly feel safer when my woman takes him with her places. he’s fine if someone is welcomed into the house (aside from the fact he’s a little over zealous for attention), but he’s definately not cool with someone he’s not framiliar with approaching the car or us on the street. just yesterday i thought he was gonna break through the glass and kill the gas station attendant for approaching suzi at the window.
oh when i say older i should note that he just turned a year old … i didnt mean older like he’s seven or something.
Well you DID call him Satan.
What did you think was going to happen? He was going to be a nice fluffy bunny? 
My dog is 7… so she has the ability to say that she is now too dignified to get into ruck and tumble. Personally I think she’s just too lazy 
all you have to do is socialize him a little more… My friends boxer had the same problem… take him to the park, or somewhere with people… hes always going to be protective of you, and even more so of your woman… its just his nature… but letting him meet a lot of people should break down a couple barriers, and let him be a little friendlier with strangers…