im sick of BJJ and JJJ ppl saying theyve got the complete art.
Yes they win the other styles in competition, but thats in a RING with RULES, on the street no ones going to tap out!!! What they going to do hug their attacker until his mates kick their head in..LOL.
OK so you rush me going for the takedown, but what if i palm strike your nose bone up through your brain, your right the fight did go to the ground, but you aint getting up!!!
It is a risky attack. But they find it has value. While hitting them to discourage them seems technically correct, they have thought about that. It seems as though they might use intimidation too freeze you for a second or so. If they freeze you you won’t get to use that loos so good on paper strike.If it works it works. If it doesnt it doesn’t. Every moment is unique…evaluate the situation. Be aware of your would-likes. Address your intention. Make a decision. Whatever you decide canot be wrong for that intention, at that moment.~
Very some such,perhaps might have been, likely say some, some not.
By the way, the “nose bone in the brain” thing is a fraud. It cannot happen because there are no bones in the nose, only cartilege. This silliness got started somehow and took on the mythological proportions of relevant fact. Medically, and physiologically, it’s impossible.
K. Mark Hoover
I stand corrected!
but the type of strike is not important(even though it would result in knockout), i was just trying to say that one strike would end it if applied properly, ie a temple strike maybe.
Go fight a Ju-Jitsu guy. I have fought many and the idea of shooting in for the takedown works, but the average JJJ guy does not do it well. Its like anything, a lot of practice. There are many counters to the double leg takedown (Step back with one foot into a stronger stance) Wrap your arms around his neck as he grabs you…
There are countters for everything. JJJ guys like Karate guys or Kung Fu guys work out with each other and believe that what they do will work on everyone. Find a friend and try sparring with them.
To tell ya the truth,I’m sick of hearing about bjj also,but let’s face some hard facts and reality here :even though it’s in ‘the ring’ and not ‘the street’,bjj has proven itself.One of the main reasons these guys win fights is because they have weightlifting routines that would rival a powerlifter’s,in other words-their physical conditioning methods are superior to many other ‘styles’,so right off the bat you are facing an opponent who is more than likely stronger than yourself.(I don’t care what you say about ‘strength doesn’t matter’-it matters to me).Secondly,these bjj guys are like Kamikazis-they don’t care what you try to hit them with to stop them,they are trained to ignore the pain and continue the take-down.Now,think about this :do you really want to see what bjj can do on asphalt?–especially if that fancy kung fu move you just tried failed and the guy snatches you off the ground by both ankles? ouch. In my opinion,the only way to prepare for a bjj fighter is to learn some bjj yourself and incorporate it into what you already know.Some serious weightlifting wouldn’t hurt either.A lot of martial artists have taken a hard hit to their pride because of bjj’s record in the ring,because they have been taught by their sifus that the style they have spent years learning is the ‘ultimate’ in self-defense.It’s time to wake up,snap out of it and face the reality :There is no ‘complete’ art.(of course,many will argue this-more power to 'em).
The Nose
Budokan - there sure is a bone in the nose, its Latin name is os nasale. You can feel it easily, it is the part of the nose that you cannot bend. But I don’t know if there’s any truth to that “punch it up in the brain” stuff.
most bjj guys dont do a lot of weightlifting.
Only a fool hates the truth, but the world is full of fools
Karl Gotch
The reason BJJ is winning in the ring is beacause that style of tournament fits BJJ. Also the people training for the tournaments are not the average BJJ guy. Next the average BJJ guy gets out there and graaples, like the average Judo guy throws his friends around. If you are not training with force you are behind.
Strength and conditioning does play into it. When I went up for my third I had to fight a kickboxer. His fighting skills were not greater than mine but his endurance was way above mine. I thought I was going to die from a heart attack, now I run 4 times a week.
Cross train, it helps, but you dont have to find a JJ instructor, or a Kickboxing instructor. If youa are training hard now and have a few years experience, buy the tapes and pricatice them. be preprared.
And heres a plug, buy the Fighters Notebook.
“By the way, the “nose bone in the brain” thing is a fraud. It cannot happen because there are no bones in the nose, only cartilege. This silliness got started somehow and took on the mythological proportions of relevant fact. Medically, and physiologically, it’s impossible.”
I disagree Budokan, let me demonstrate. Right now I’m ready to palm heel my own nose to prove this works. One two threeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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Rogue, you’re an @ss!! Watchman
Adventure is just a romantic name for trouble. It sounds swell when you write about it, but it’s hell when you meet it face to face in a dark and lonely place.
Louis L’Amour
BTW, did I mention that Rogue was an @ss? Watchman[/i]
Rogue, Budokan ain’t movin’ or gettin’ up. Yep, I think he’s daid, Rogue.
See, there, Budokan. You do too got a bone there. 
Can he hear me, Rogue? 
Can eat with either hand. (But becomes moody when not fed regularly.)
Uhn. Snerk–! Whuh?-- Hey, I don’t think…oh, God you didn’t shove the bone deep enough! I’m still alive and the pain is excruciating!
Hit me again! Finish the job! HIT ME AGAIN!
HIT ME AGAIN!!
Kill me…[weeping]…just kill me, please…
And, tell Rolls I love him, okay…?
K. Mark Hoover
you guys are full of it
First of all the reason BJJ is effective is because people like you dont know how to fight on the ground. I could take anyone of you down and snap your arm or choke you out within a few minutes. You say youll bite and scratch because its a street fight well im going to do the same damn thing. By the way most BJJ peeps dont use heavy lifting routines they concentrate on callisthenics which provide strenght but dont bulk you up. Yes BJJ has proven itself in streetfights. Ive seen it used. Are you going to keep fighting after I snap your little arms or choke u out? BJJ practitioners train for reality fighting!!!
Ow cwap. It dibint kill me. Bu it di bwake my bweak. When I came too there wa bwud aw owver the pwace. And I awso got two bwake eyes!!!
Dwat you Boowdookan! :mad:
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Rogue, you’re an @ss!! Watchman
Adventure is just a romantic name for trouble. It sounds swell when you write about it, but it’s hell when you meet it face to face in a dark and lonely place.
Louis L’Amour
BTW, did I mention that Rogue was an @ss? Watchman[/i]
Armbreaker, blow it out your a$$. In a streetfight, fella, there won’t be any tapping out.
Anyway, you sound like another incarnation of Rolls. Or a Rolls wannabe, which is even worse. :rolleyes:
K. Mark Hoover
budokan
I don’t think it’s “Rolls after death”.New BJJ flamer that probably dosen’t EVEN TRAIN.
your friend, choke
p.s.Where’s Art?
O, woe is me!
That’s all we need. Yet another -slime who DOESN’T TRAIN yet thinks he knows all there is to know about the MA. :rolleyes:
K. Mark Hoover
Well, I recently started training in Brasilian JiuJitsu, and I think I may have some valuable insight to share with you all. You see, while I have the utmost respect…Ugh…SOMETHING HAPPENING TO BRAIN…MUST TROLL…MUST TELL ONLINE COMMUNITY THAT BJJ RULEZ!!! U R ALL LOSERS!!! BJJ IS THE BEST I WILL BREAK UR ARM IF U DONT LIKE IT TUFF COZ I AM BJJ TRAINING COOL TYPE GUY!!!
Soup is good food.
Aww, maaan. They got Anarcho.
They just pulled his brain out through his nose.
Now he ain’t got no brain, none at all an’ he’s still talkin’ an’ shoutin’ all that crap, and he ain’t got no brain at all. :eek:
Can eat with either hand. (But becomes moody when not fed regularly.)
Rogue, Budokan
We can’t let him go on like this, can we? Poor ol’ Anarcho. 
He’d want to be dead if he knew he didn’t have no brain and was spoutin’ all that crazy BJJ bu11shit. 
Its a long shot, him bein’ n Australia an all, but I think we ought to plug 'im.
Can one of you get a bead on ‘im with all that sprawlin’ and rollin’ he’s doing now?
Can eat with either hand. (But becomes moody when not fed regularly.)