[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1166500]When a teacher teaches a 50 students class, and if he only uses his senior student to demonstrate his technique. The rest of his students just get their partners and repeat the same move as shown. What’s the difference between learning in this environment that you can only see your teacher from a distance vs. learning from video with partner?
Every single word that the teacher has said in the class can be repeated in the video tape as well.[/QUOTE]
The difference is that a good instructor and his seniors will move around the room and correct those learning. The feeling or actual physical correction cannot be duplicated by video learning. Also, the instructor is available to show the student things in person.
Besides, most Wing Chun classes I have taught or visited are less than 50 students.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1166500]When a teacher teaches a 50 students class, and if he only uses his senior student to demonstrate his technique. The rest of his students just get their partners and repeat the same move as shown. What’s the difference between learning in this environment that you can only see your teacher from a distance vs. learning from video with partner?
Every single word that the teacher has said in the class can be repeated in the video tape as well.[/QUOTE]
If that teacher is not looking at what you are doing and if he is not correcting your moves, it is the same thing and it is bad teacher.
If you want to just learn the movements or the shapes you can “learn” from Video or Online.
If you want to learn the application, especially against resisting opponents, then you need to “learn” from an instructor or someone more senior than yourself.
Lots of MMA fighters have videos out there…I would like to know of just one who actually fights who learned from Video or Online…and wins
There are too many subtleties entailed in understanding and applying a martial art to be learned from Video or online. Yes you can gain insight but the level of skill will be subpar to one who has trained under an instructor.[/QUOTE]
There was an MMA fighter that started competing and winning from learning MMA via DVD and working out with partners in a home gym.
I forget his name.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1167191]There was an MMA fighter that started competing and winning from learning MMA via DVD and working out with partners in a home gym.
I forget his name.[/QUOTE]
Learning from video is easier than learning from a book, but then it also depends on many variables. How well it is illustrated, how well the instructor explains, and then how well the student understands. If you don’t have an ability to understand fighting concepts you are not likely to learn fighting well. Then if the instructor does not convey the knowledge in a learnable manner, you will not learn. Most books are sketchy at best and do not really cover. They are just mostly designed to take your money before you figure out it is crap. Then again, video is much the same. Not everyone can teach. You don’t have to be an undefeated champion to teach others to fight, but you have to be able to convey your complete thoughts in a manner to cover all points. Your not going to find that in a book or dvd. You are not really likely to find that in a kwoon either.
Master Wong comes to mind.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1167191]There was an MMA fighter that started competing and winning from learning MMA via DVD and working out with partners in a home gym.
I forget his name.[/QUOTE]
The late evan Tanner taught himself Submissions submission and grappling techniques using instructional videos created by the Gracie family.
I also believe Jeremy Horn also learned his early skills from videos before going over to Japan
[QUOTE=Frost;1167238]The late evan Tanner taught himself Submissions submission and grappling techniques using instructional videos created by the Gracie family.
I also believe Jeremy Horn also learned his early skills from videos before going over to Japan
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Yeah, I think Tanner is the one I was thinking of.
Again, one an actually be pretty well self trained from a DVD series IF:
You have prior MA/fighting experience in a similar system
You have training partners.
[QUOTE=Frost;1167239]plenty of clips of both of them in action :D[/QUOTE]
Sorry, unfamiliar with either of them. :o
I still say you cannot learn from Video, although Paul does make a point about having prior experience and training partners.
You can grasp things if you already have a foundation, but you would not be a good example, imho, of the art you are learning via video unless you also have hands on training with someone more senior than yourself.
Consider that one can kill a bear with a .22 rifle. Does not necessarily mean that is the right tool for the job at hand. Just cause it may be possible, does not mean it is the optimum?
For me, if I am facing, say a Polar Bear charging me, even though it may be possible for me to kill said bear with my .22 I would opt for something else. Same thing with learning via Video, if I had the opportunity to train with someone trained in the system I desire to study I would opt for the hands on opportunity.
For me, if I am facing, say a Polar Bear charging me, even though it may be possible for me to kill said bear with my .22 I would opt for something else. Same thing with learning via Video, if I had the opportunity to train with someone trained in the system I desire to study I would opt for the hands on opportunity.[/QUOTE]
Hey Dave- leave the polar bears alone. If you don’t enter their territory you are far from their minds.
My sifu always says that Wing Chun is learned at the dinner table. You learn a lot of important theories, principles, and strategies when you’re not actually training, but just sitting around talking. That’s when things really sink in. When I first started training in Wing Chun, a few of us would stay 30 minutes or so after class and just talk to our sifu. Things were still fresh in our mind because we had just finished our class. So we could really absorb a lot. So yes, it is definitely possible to learn things from videos, but only if you are already training in that martial art with a qualified teacher. You can learn various drills and concepts and then try them in class. Try things on your sihings. You need to train with people better than you if you’re going to improve. And always ask your sifu if you’re not sure. Sometimes you can learn something from a video and when you try it in class, it doesn’t work well. Your sifu can always give you a little tip that will help make it work. That’s the only way you can learn anything from videos in my opinion. If you’re just at home practicing with your buddy, it’s not going to work. If you’re both doing it wrong, there’s no one there to tell you.
looking at some of the stuff on you tube and taught as Wing Chun I’d say people have been learning Wing Chun from books and videaos for years:rolleyes:. In a very sophisticated two way feedback process it might be possible to learn some of what Wing Chun has to offer by distance learning, but so much of the system relies on feeling, a bit like watching chi sau only gives half of the picture because you can never see the energy being applied. It also very much depends upon the student’s learning modality, I have a number of students whose learning only really takes off if they get to feel the technique being executed
[QUOTE=wingchunIan;1167313]looking at some of the stuff on you tube and taught as Wing Chun I’d say people have been learning Wing Chun from books and videaos for years:rolleyes:.[/QUOTE]
:eek: No! Really??? For some mundane reason I totally agree with you on this one Ian… maybe even longer than you think
[QUOTE=hulkout;1167306]My sifu always says that Wing Chun is learned at the dinner table. [/QUOTE]
Nice! My sifu says the same thing as well! I always wondered if that ideal was passed around in other families. Never really mentioned it before due to not wanting to deal with potential responses of “Oooh, tough guy here learns the dim-sum fist from his sifu!”
