Lau Bun Stories

“professor”"

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student, teacher, grand master, great grand master or Professor. People like the late Lee Koon Hung, Jew Leong, Ralph Castro, Wally Jay, y.c. wong, Chan Tai San etc etc can be considered “Professors”. “”

That is a major corruption of language and meaning. Major/reputable universities
apply fairly rigorous criteria for the rank of a professor of physics, chemistry, philosophy etc in specific disciplines. And they dont accept degrees from degree factories.

The greats in martial arts deserve every bit of recognition possible for their achievements in their field of activity and achievement.However, I am not sure that adding the term “professor” adds anything to their achievement or to their prestige. Knowledgeable people in any field know the greats in their field in their own way…
be it chemistry or TCMA. Importing titles from another field could actually cheapen
the reputation of great masters and to some give the appearance unecessarily and undeservedly of an inferoriority complex.

There is enough corruption in 3 rd rate universities giving an honorary degree to a finacial contributor and people being given honrary black belts. Why add to the rot.

Rectification of names is much better IMO.

Lau Bun and Bruce Lee

As i’ve said, Professor Lau Bun was THE chinatown godfather, not only packed with his gung fu, from what i understand the man also used to carry around a 6 shooter revolver. Again, the man would never display his gung fu unless he planned on killing you with it.

anyways, Lau Bun and his students had more than one encounter with the legendary bruce lee. In fact, i only recently came to learn (there’s a well known person here who was an eye witness when i learned this) Lau Bun school was majorly involved in not allowing Bruce Lee to teach the Gwai Lo.

Even more surprising to hear was the late Bing Chan (my sifu’s first sifu) was the one who wrote up the declaration to bruce lee telling him why he shouldn’t be teaching Gwai Lo and if it doesn’t stop a match was to be set up in which Wong Jack Man ended up fighting him.

I recall my elders telling me that before bruce lee came to know lau bun one of lau buns students kicked the ass of bruce lee’s student. bruce came over to the hung sing kwoon yelling and screaming, and Lau Bun came out of his office and asked what the problem was. The moment bruce layed his eyes on lau bun he just put his head down and walked away.

The next two stories have to do with chasing off bruces students. The fisst is my Si-bak Ah Foon and his classmates were practicing gung fu when the green Hornet (bruce Lee’s student) came into lau bun’s hung sing kwoon starting trouble. Ah foon was the first to get to him but he ended up fighting the green hornet up the stairs and out into the streets kicking that arse.

next, my sifu recalls during chinese new years in 1967 bruce lee’s students were all pumped up and came down the stairs in Bing Chan’s Lup Mo studio when Kenneth also fought him up the stairs and out into the street beating the heck out of him. Kenneth was a serious bad ass.

My sifu once told me a story that bruce lee rented out the Sun Sing movie theater to promote his style. while on stage he was bragging about how fast his hands were and asked for some audience participation to see if anyone could block his punches. So Kenneth’s classmates finally convinced him to go up on stage. Bruce introduced himself and demo’d what he was going to do by actually throwing a couple of punches and kenneth blocked those. Then bruce lee charged and kenneth used our downward windmill blocks and blocked every single punch bruce threw. the crowd must have been ecstatic and i can’t imagine kenneth’s classmates and what they were thinking. anyways, they went back to bing chan and told him what happened, and bing chan asked one question…“did you hit him back?” Kenneth said NO. From what i hear is that bing chan got hella ****ed about kenneth waisting his time by just blocking, he should have laid into bruce.

I would like to state now, that these stories are in NO WAY intended to insult or offend any of Bruce Lee’s descendants and followers. The man was very good for his time, but let’s remember, he was still a man.

peace.

Lau Bun and Bruce Lee

As i’ve said, Professor Lau Bun was THE chinatown godfather, not only packed with his gung fu, from what i understand the man also used to carry around a 6 shooter revolver. Again, the man would never display his gung fu unless he planned on killing you with it.

anyways, Lau Bun and his students had more than one encounter with the legendary bruce lee. In fact, i only recently came to learn (there’s a well known person here who was an eye witness when i learned this) Lau Bun school was majorly involved in not allowing Bruce Lee to teach the Gwai Lo.

Even more surprising to hear was the late Bing Chan (my sifu’s first sifu) was the one who wrote up the declaration to bruce lee telling him why he shouldn’t be teaching Gwai Lo and if it doesn’t stop a match was to be set up in which Wong Jack Man ended up fighting him.

I recall my elders telling me that before bruce lee came to know lau bun one of lau buns students kicked the ass of bruce lee’s student. bruce came over to the hung sing kwoon yelling and screaming, and Lau Bun came out of his office and asked what the problem was. The moment bruce layed his eyes on lau bun he just put his head down and walked away.

The next two stories have to do with chasing off bruces students. The fisst is my Si-bak Ah Foon and his classmates were practicing gung fu when the green Hornet (bruce Lee’s student) came into lau bun’s hung sing kwoon starting trouble. Ah foon was the first to get to him but he ended up fighting the green hornet up the stairs and out into the streets kicking that arse.

next, my sifu recalls during chinese new years in 1967 bruce lee’s students were all pumped up and came down the stairs in Bing Chan’s Lup Mo studio when Kenneth also fought him up the stairs and out into the street beating the heck out of him. Kenneth was a serious bad ass.

My sifu once told me a story that bruce lee rented out the Sun Sing movie theater to promote his style. while on stage he was bragging about how fast his hands were and asked for some audience participation to see if anyone could block his punches. So Kenneth’s classmates finally convinced him to go up on stage. Bruce introduced himself and demo’d what he was going to do by actually throwing a couple of punches and kenneth blocked those. Then bruce lee charged and kenneth used our downward windmill blocks and blocked every single punch bruce threw. the crowd must have been ecstatic and i can’t imagine kenneth’s classmates and what they were thinking. anyways, they went back to bing chan and told him what happened, and bing chan asked one question…“did you hit him back?” Kenneth said NO. From what i hear is that bing chan got hella ****ed about kenneth waisting his time by just blocking, he should have laid into bruce.

I would like to state now, that these stories are in NO WAY intended to insult or offend any of Bruce Lee’s descendants and followers. The man was very good for his time, but let’s remember, he was still a man.

peace.

i’m sorry, but who’s talking about academic’s and schools of academic learning?

I thought we were speaking about gung fu?

it’s ok if you can’t appreciate the knowledge and experience in TCMA from masters such as Chan Tai San, Lau Bun, Lee Koon Hung, Jew Leong, or anyone else for that matter, that’s not my business.

If there was a way to compare what it takes to become a scholastic professor, and what it should take to become a martial art professor you would be able to see that those who are named have earned the title of professor. it means in the world of martial arts these masters were at the top of their game, providing the best real world knowledge when it comes to truly learning martial arts.

It is also a term of “respect” for some one who has devoted their whole lives, contributed to the enhancement of the system, and things of that nature, and when they get passed a certain age and time involved in the martial arts how could any one ever dispute something so trivial as a title in the first place?
but take this with a grain of salt, at the Hung SIng Kwoon and by those who truly ever knew Lau Bun, Lau Bun is the one man in American Martial Arts History you could never take the title of “Professor” away from him.

peace

just one note, I was told a lot of bjj black belts are called “professors” as well. so, there is some circulation of this usage for ma.

V,

you really should explore the martial arts world a little more. the term “Profesor” is widely used and to name drop a few are Professor Wally Jay, Professor Rick Alemany, Professor Ralph Castro, Professor Lau Bun…Need i go on?

its really an injustice to the world when you hold on to a simple word that represents a level of achievement and clutch it to your bussom (?) and say no one could ever use this title outside of academics.

Its a pretty petty argument. not to mention one YOU or anyone else in the world could ever win. thats not a dis, that’s reality. like it or not. listen or change the channel. you get what i mean.

no hard feelings.

v,

embrace the word. it exists, and can scientifically be proven it exists.:wink:

come to the light…walk to the light…you want to be in the light…there’s love in the light.

hsk

v,

you said the title of professor can actually cheapen the reputation of great masters?

that confuses me. why would you say that? :confused:

I think he meant in instance(s) of self agrandizment or promotion. When someone more or less names themselves “Professor”, in contrast to someone like Lau Bun who was given the name by his peers and/or students. You (Sifu McCarthy) are the de facto historian of your lineage on these boards so you would know, but I’m willing to bet that the late Sifu Lau Bun never called himself “Professor”.

On the flip side many or even most people here have probably come accross a crop of people who promote themselves “GrandMaser” or “GreatGrandmaster”, or “Great GrandPubaShortyMoneyGripZipTightJeans” especially after “creating” their own version of Jeet Kune Do, or just flat out BS.

you’re right. He never did. Im sure he didn’t even want people to know he knew gung fu.

you know i that bugs the sheet out of me when people must refer to themselves as sifu so and so, or blah blah blah. I may throw it out in spite, but i never run around thinking im special.

there is someone i know that does though. it was what made me turn away from him. he wanted other martial artists to refer to him by his title. personally i still feel young, and in one of my small groups in Kansas, my student has students, and technically that makes me a grandmaster in one small sense of the word.
what really flipped me out is when i was on the phone with my student matt, and he says someone wanted to say hello to me. on the other end i hear “hello sigung” and it took me a second to even realize its me who they are saying hello to. it really took me for a trip. i wasn’t anywhere near ready to hear that. and im not putting it on my business card either.

I feel i’d should be around 60 or so before i get the title grandmaster. i don’t know.

Back to Lau Bun.

thanks brothernumber9

Hello hskwarrior. I’m enjoying all the Lau Bun stories (I love martial arts history), but I’m confused about something you said. You refer to Bruce Lee’s “student” the “green hornet”. Are you referring to Van Williams, the actor who played the Green Hornet in the TV series (in which BL co-starred as Kato)? That wouldn’t make any sense. Williams wasn’t a student of Lee. He also wasn’t a fighter or martial artist, he was an actor. Could you provide any clarification on this? Thanks in advance.

that was according to my sifu, who was there, and he said at the time van williamas did learn gung fu from bruce.

im just recallilng the stories.

if any one knows.

what was training like at lau bun’s school?
what did a typical training session consist of?

great stories on this and CTS thrreads!

thanks

Under Lau Bun training was tough. for the first 6 months students would only learn the horse stances, and a few basice drills. He was a stickler for perfecting your gung fu. He always stressed how important it was to have a strong horse.

According to many of his students, Lau Bun would often stand behind you while your were drilling. if you weren’t throwing good hand techniques he would give you and earfull, and if your horse was weak he would sweep you to the ground himself.

He was a very old fashioned teacher in every sense of the word.

in that respect Lau Bun was the perfect example of the yin and yang. One side he was a hardcore gung fu master that has killed with his bare hands. on the other side he was known for his chinese calligraphy, and playing a musical instrument. He not only knew how to kill, but he knew how to heal as well. He often lent out his services for free for those who couldn’t afford to pay him for medical treatment.

But there’s more to come.

very motivational these stories (of all the diffenert masters and teachers)…

i was just about to ask if Lau Bun had dit da healing skills.. but ur post beat me too it..

do u know what areas of healing he was proficient or majored in eg needling, herbs, massage, cuppingm moxa, etc or all of the above?

any stories related to healing skills also welcome…

good luck with your book and thanks for sharing these interesting stories. i know u have to keep stuff in reserve for the book so double thanks :smiley:

http://www.jewleong.zoomshare.com/

thanks!

nice website and great photos

im not choy lay fat but love martial arts and historical stuff…

well i did clf for about a year as it was the only decent school in the town i was staying.. i like clf though.

anyways just saying good site! and good stories :slight_smile:

PS:

“The American Hung Sing Kwoon. copyright 2001.”

has this been published already then? do u know the isbn?

hskwarrior, I think you’re being contradictory here. You can’t ask someone to respect the title and then say it is a trivial matter at the same time.

In my opinion, the English terms like grandmaster are an inadequate translation of the Chinese terms.

sifu = master/teacher (OK)
si-gung = grandmaster (not OK), grand-master (OK, IMO!)
tai si-gung = great grandmaster (not OK), great grand-master (OK, IMO!)

jung si (zhong si) = Grandmaster

The first 3 indicate lineal (family) relationships, whereas the 4th is a term of respect accorded you by your peers.

Both “sifu” and “jung si” can be used by the general public with reference to the person, but to call someone “si-gung” or “tai si-gung” when there is no relationship make no sense. That subtlety is lost in the crude English translations grandmaster and great grandmaster respectively.

I get what you’re trying to say, but I think “Grandmaster” is a better term than professor because there is less confusion with academic titles. Grandmaster is the “top of the tree” in the chess world (I think).

Anyway, keep up the good work promoting CLF. I like to hear stories of the “old” masters. Life must have been very different for a Chinese person in the USA back then.

sorry i didnt actually read most of ur post CFT…

BUT…

“Professor” seems to be a term come into popul;ar use via hawaii and America.. then much later eurpoe prolly copy america…

  1. use the terms of ur art.. ie. chinese martial arts sifu, sigung, tai sigung etc…

the whole english terminology to me is a waste of time…

  1. who cares… call the teacher “great super supreme with extra cheese grand grand master” … its “TERM” thing"… worst case its an 1 upmanship thing… its better to use the chinese terms or if an okinawan arts master okinawan terms or if and indoensian arts master the indo terms… best case it just shows english speakers tryingto sho respect…

lets forget termin0ology,

and get back to the stories

professor
associate professer
director

who cares its “just a name” the skill is in the hands

“professor” william chow - “hawaiin kenpo” appears to not be a well educated in academic sense… but he had the “martial arts” i guess westernes are using terms they can relate too.. and for them “professor” means some one HIGHLY skilled and knowledgeable and achieved in there art etc…

back to da stoires…

of which..

there is a Yang Taiji Quan Sifu.. i cant recall his name… Kuo.. ??? (maybe)

was said to have been a body gaird.. and carry darts and whip chain…

any connection???

or stories

if stories can start another thread on him

having done many years of security including high risk securoty.. i LOVE hearing stories of masters that actually applied theire martial arts in reality and such…

“does it work?” … “well im alive” :stuck_out_tongue:

thanks all

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