Mat, not sure what video you watched but I just watched it again and here’s what I saw:
the kyokushin guy tossed a lot of kicks that landed strongly to the head of the drunken style guy. The drunken style guy threw roughly 10-15 “punches” none of which expressed any real power in my opinion. He managed to conncet three times that I saw, and none of those shots were solid. At one point at the end of the video they even slow down a shot he took that the kyokushin guy blocked pretty much effortlessly. The only thing that second guy showed was that he could stumble around, appearing slightly drunk, could take serious shots to the face and not fall down, and was a good sport about the fac that he got his ass handed to him.
Apparently there had to be some no takedown rules as well because a couple of times thos drunken style guys had some good holds on legs but did’t do anything with them.
The third fight a whole lot of nothing happened. Both fighters seemed to be about on par, although the DS guy seemed to take a more practical approach to fighting, he still lacked any sort of commitment in his shots.
I don’t know if it says something about the style, or just something about the way these guys trained but they just didn’t seem to be able to generate any power in their attacks, almost like they weren’t used to following through. On top of that they just didn’t seem to be able to find the range very well, their shots were for the most part, too far away.
neither the kyukushin fighters nor the drunken fighters impressed me, although the kyokushin were obviously the dominant ones. The drunken men were not really good fighters at all, they suck.
In all fairness though, I don’t think it’s a real representation of drunk boxing, but on the flipside the karate men could have been holding back.
These people were playing hard and not fighting.
neither the kyukushin fighters nor the drunken fighters impressed me,
agreed. The kyokushin guys weren’t bad but I’d have to see another demo to be sure.
The drunken men were not really good fighters at all, they suck.
agreed, too many bad habits were consistant throughout all of them. It’s either a sign of their school or the style.
In all fairness though, I don’t think it’s a real representation of drunk boxing
What would be a good representation of good drunken style? I have only one contention with that idea, and that is that any art should be somewhat adaptable to any format.
What would be a good representation of good drunken style?
in practical application red5, i could show you. in sparring i think i could pull off some decent stuff. but i am no drunken “stylist” persay. i just go on what i was taught early on in my private lessons pre-sd.
Originally posted by The Willow Sword
[B]yes yes you MUST actually be DRUNK in order for the drunken style to work. :rolleyes:
in all seriousness,all drunken style is,is a way to recieve punishment and pain. yeah thats it,its my “excuse for everything” as ST says :rolleyes:
Peace,,TWS [/B]
Well I would be willing to guess than ocne your drunk you have less fear to commit your attacks (like the first guy who bnacked off alot and who did a half assed sweep). Also while your drunk your less tense and don’t feel as much pain. And thee guys train while drunk and while trying to steal cups filled with wine from each other so they can handle the intoxication well.
Well I would be willing to guess than ocne your drunk you ahve less fear to commit your attacks (like the first guy who bnacked off alot and who did a half assed sweep). Also while your drunk your less tense and don’t feel as much pain. ANd thee guys train while drunk and while trying to steal cups filled with wine from each other so they can handle the intoxication well.
one of the lessons i have learned about drunken style is that you are definately SOBER,through and through. in order to do some of those moves and mainatin control you MUST be sober,other wise you are fumbling about and not in control and you will get your a$$ handed to you( a drunken stylist only feigns being drunk). Now in the case of these vids and “going through the motions” as these practitioners did,they were sober and they also had thier a$$ handed to them,but not because they were drunk or stupid but because they 1. did not commit their attacks and 2. and this is my opinion,that these are beginners still learning forms and havent really applied what they have learned to anything other than acting out the movements.
it is also my opinion, Strangler, that your last sentence in this quote is what we all have seen in the movies or read of in the embellished stories. now mind you i am not an expert on drunken,but what iwas taught pre-sd,was very valuable and i remember it to this day. i just have never really used it for anything other than to play around,however this thread has actually inspired me to go through again some of the things i was taught.
Originally posted by Strangler If I find it I’ll let you know.
Thank’s
And about the clip, I think it was pretty interesting that these ppl tryed to fight like that. It’s obvious they would need alot more experience to make that work for them. The Kyokushin-kai guys had all pretty clear techs, pretty solid kicks even though they were holding back. Most KK guys does
I’ve never heard anyone who practices or works with Drunken Styles claim that you actually have to be drunk ot do it properly :rolleyes:
As a matter of fact one of the creation stories I remember hearing had to do with someone recognizing the random unpredictability of a drunk is what they were shooting for and not how to fight drunk.
I do know a guy in Colorado who studied drunken style boxing and one of his tests required he work through several forms with a glass of water in his hand. If he spilled a drop he failed. True story.