Kung Fu Punching Technique and how it compares to Boxing

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[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1023602]We can’t keep using the “poor teacher” argument as much as we would like, sorry.
Look at the first form of WC, static stance, minor shifts that can hardly be called evasions, blocking, no guard.
Go to any class in any TCMA and you will see the typical stuff I mentioned.
And that includes the classes taught by legit masters and you KNOW this to be true Bro.
We may not like to admit it, but we know it to be true.[/QUOTE]

I do agree with this. Kung Fu folks like to rant about how 90 percent of all modern Kung Fu sucks, yet no one ever seems to fall into that category. Also, every student learns differently so I don’t think you can copy and paste a manual on how to teach someone, it is an individual thing. That being said, there are certain tools everyone must learn and good evasion and footwork is at the top of the list.

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[QUOTE=Iron_Eagle_76;1023607]I do agree with this. Kung Fu folks like to rant about how 90 percent of all modern Kung Fu sucks,yet no one ever seems to fall into that category [/QUOTE]
modern kung fu sucks and i am part of the 90 percent

sanjuro now that you bring up footwork, im thinking about kung footwork , no names come up, i just realized there is no english names for them.i have ever heard them mentioned in canada. i think thats sad

i also agree wit u we cant blame on teachers in the past. the blame is with us right now. we ned reform pls

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[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1023602]We can’t keep using the “poor teacher” argument as much as we would like, sorry.
Look at the first form of WC, static stance, minor shifts that can hardly be called evasions, blocking, no guard.
Go to any class in any TCMA and you will see the typical stuff I mentioned.
And that includes the classes taught by legit masters and you KNOW this to be true Bro.
We may not like to admit it, but we know it to be true.[/QUOTE]

Yes, it is true. But typical is the problem. Sorry to sound like lkfmdc, but 99% of the teachers out there are doing it wrong. (I don’t always agree with his viewpoints when it comes to TMA, but I agree with his training methodology)
Alot of these so-called “legit masters” also fall into this catagory. I don’t care what their name is, how many books, dvd’s,articles, how big their organization is. It is what it is.

You brought up WCK, so I will use this as an example:
WCK static stance is laying down foundation/structure, but it should immediately go into bai-jiong, shifting, stepping.punching. If he is having you JUST do siu lim tau, yjkym,etc., then he falls into that catagory.

For example, Alan Lee taught Siu Lim Tau, but it was a little bit at the end of class, after all the punching, hitting, moving, partner drills. Later, after the student was in awhile, more time was spent with the individual to fine tune the form/structures. You’ve seen the vids, you know what I mean. 99% of his class time is spent in live training. (I believe everyone could benefit by visiting his school. He is very open and welcomes visitors to come in and train) This to me is much better teaching, IMHO.

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[QUOTE=bawang;1023610]modern kung fu sucks and i am part of the 90 percent

sanjuro now that you bring up footwork, im thinking about kung footwork but the funny thing is i think about them, no names come up, i just realized there is no english names for them. i dont think i have ever heard them mentioned in canada. i think thats pretty sad

i agree we cant put all the blame on teachers in the past. the blame is with us right now. we ned reform pls[/QUOTE]

Well, in Hung Kuen we have LOTS of angle footwork, though I would be cautious of any crossing foot work.
It’s pretty easy to figure out which foot work works best for who YOU fight.

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[QUOTE=TenTigers;1023613]Yes, it is true. But typical is the problem. Sorry to sound like lkfmdc, but 99% of the teachers out there are doing it wrong. (I don’t always agree with his viewpoints when it comes to TMA, but I agree with his training methodology)
Alot of these so-called “legit masters” also fall into this catagory. I don’t care what their name is, how many books, dvd’s,articles, how big their organization is. It is what it is.

You brought up WCK, so I will use this as an example:
WCK static stance is laying down foundation/structure, but it should immediately go into bai-jiong, shifting, stepping.punching. If he is having you JUST do siu lim tau, yjkym,etc., then he falls into that catagory.

For example, Alan Lee taught Siu Lim Tau, but it was a little bit at the end of class, after all the punching, hitting, moving, partner drills. Later, after the student was in awhile, more time was spent with the individual to fine tune the form/structures. You’ve seen the vids, you know what I mean. 99% of his class time is spent in live training. (I believe everyone could benefit by visiting his school. He is very open and welcomes visitors to come in and train) This to me is much better teaching, IMHO.[/QUOTE]

Ok, lets look at it this way, looking at the 1% instead of the 99, what are THEY doing? and why are they doing it?
In a typical MT gym, you are training to fight from day one, your guard, your stances, every strike is designed to be used, AS IS, in fighting and you can, if willing, fight with it from the first lesson.
Now, which 1% are you talking about that do that and are they TCMA?

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[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1023616]Well, in Hung Kuen we have LOTS of angle footwork, though I would be cautious of any crossing foot work.
It’s pretty easy to figure out which foot work works best for who YOU fight.[/QUOTE]
yeah man whats up with the cross step? i dont know how it works and it hurts my balls in that stance.

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[QUOTE=bawang;1023619]yeah man whats up with the cross step? i dont know how it works and it hurts my balls in that stance.[/QUOTE]

yeah, like you have balls big enough to hurt, you’re chinese and you’re not fooling anyone, Tiny.
:smiley:

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i rub dit da jow on them every day. they grow big

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[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1023618]Ok, lets look at it this way, looking at the 1% instead of the 99, what are THEY doing? and why are they doing it?
In a typical MT gym, you are training to fight from day one, your guard, your stances, every strike is designed to be used, AS IS, in fighting and you can, if willing, fight with it from the first lesson.
Now, which 1% are you talking about that do that and are they TCMA?[/QUOTE]
well, you pretty much described my basic intro lesson…

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[QUOTE=TenTigers;1023622]well, you pretty much described my basic intro lesson…[/QUOTE]

YC WONG does NOT teach that way, you know that right?
Nor did Mas Oyama, so as to think that it is a solely a TCMA thing.
IT is not.

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[QUOTE=bawang;1023621]i rub dit da jow on them every day. they grow big[/QUOTE]
you must be reading the forumla upside down. Dit Da Jow is supposed to reduce swelling…

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i have special recipe. mayonaise and kfc chicken skin and urine of young boy.

i think the main problem with training today #1 is lack of manliness. kung fu needs to instill spirit of manliness. for example less than 100 years ago white crane looked like karate. now it looks like old prostitute waving to customer.

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[QUOTE=bawang;1023625]i have special recipe. mayonaise and kfc chicken skin and urine of young boy.

i think the main problem with training today #1 is lack of manliness. kung fu needs to instill spirit of manliness. for example less than 100 years ago white crane looked like karate. now it looks like old prostitute waving to customer.[/QUOTE]

You know, you actually have a very good point.
The white crane one, not the KFC, you freak !

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i think stop teaching forms will solve a lot of problems right away

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The stunner is that Bawang is actually a fat white kid who plays World of Warcraft and likes to sometimes post here with bad grammar.

I’m not fooled.

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yes i am a fat white kid. so what? i have no shame.
*rubs testicles and looks at youtube for 2 hours

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Footwork last?

When I began to learn Bak Mei my sifu stressed footwork first. I remember sometimes where the whole lesson was footwork and distance in relation to your opponent. We did it with a guard (hands up) the whole time to get the feeling of movement. It was later that we added strikes and shuai and so forth. Still to this day we often have a lesson with mostly footwork but now at least it is foot work with applications. Constant drilling.

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thats really rare these days mang. in canada i only met one guy who taught like that
he had been in canada for 30 years and never got many students. at 50 years old he was so poor he was working in a chinese restaurant. thats the price you might pay if you devote your life to kung fu and teach real kung fu, and u dont get lucky. a life poverty and loneliness, i think u guys need to know that

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Yeah, he mainly teaches out of his garage and while he is an excellent teacher and has trained in the more popluar styles(BJJ, Muay Thai, etc.) he loves kung fu too much and has stopped teaching those other styles all together. Which is an obvious hit to cash intake.

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[QUOTE=Dragonzbane76;1023271]comparably I think you hit the nail on the head when you said Boxing focuses on punches exclusively, (dependent upon the era “dirty boxing” taken into account.") I’ve always been of the conclusion that you can train many things but can only master a few. Boxing is a demension of fighting, a 1 sided one, but one indeed. It focuses on standup striking and caters to that only. that being said, it is not a hard pill to swallow stating that if you want to get your striking better on your punches you should probably go take some boxing lessons, where it is stress and tested.[/QUOTE]

No trying to be the troll here, but why even train gung fu in the first place if you get more from boxing?  If boxing has better fire power than your gung fu, then you are not doing yourself any favors.

I agree that boxing does seem to have stronger punches than most gung fu, with a few exceptions. While a young man I wanted to be a golden glove champ and spent a good deal of my time boxing at the local boy’s club, but having trained 8 or 9 years in my system of gung fu, I could not escape my earlier training, and used the footwork and guard as well as the punching techniques. I had a hard time not kicking. I could switch guards, left,right,left and literally destroy an opponents defense. Forget that I won most of my matches, my boxing instructer dismissed me as not being able to box very well.
If boxing is your first experience with fighting you will be forever trying to inject it into every martial art you put your hand to because it will be the most comfortable. I know this because I started my first training at 10 years and by the time I tried anything else I pretty much had it down to a science. It would find it’s way into everything I did.