Who is this man?
why?
victor kan
He’s the self proclaimed “king of chi sau”. 
i only know of a king of gong sau…chi sau doesn’t mean much. You can win by sheer size and brute force…
not quite…see a man who knows what he is doing(correct wing chun) chi sau with a man who is just large and strong…you would then be proven wrong…
IXIJoe KaveyIXI
I am Sharky’s main man…
king of chi sau
What exactly is that supposed to mean?
there are chi soa comps and people smack eachother in the chest.It isnt what chi sau is really for…
IXIJoe KaveyIXI
I am Sharky’s main man…
Who who is currently the “king of chi sau”?
WH,
Give me a couple of hours to put in an order at the local trophy shop and I’ll have your answer. 
So, who wants to be the Prince of Pak Sau? Duke of Kwan Ma anyone? How about Chief Eunuch of Ding Gerk? :rolleyes:
can i be Loser of Lap Sau?
oh no wait a minute…
“You can’t see it if you blind but we will always prevail (true)/Life is like the open sea, the truth is the wind in our sail/And in the end, our names is on the lips of dying men/If ever crushed in the earth, we always rise again/When the words of lying men sound lush like the sound of a violin/The truth is there, it’s just the heart you gotta find it in” - Talib Kweli
martial joe
bigger guys in chi sau usually “push”. They use the advantage of their size and strength to overwhelm the smaller opponent. The smaller opponent cannot do anything about it…even if he is skilled because stance shifting and other forms of redirecting force can only work so much…
However, in a real fight, the smaller opponent would be able to hit the larger guy with full force, something that one cannot do in chi sau. This is precisely why grapplers have the advantage over stand up fighters in NHB events in the past…they were able to use the full arsenal of their techniques whereas the stand up guys were restricted from using elbows and head stomps, etc, etc…
Even though some of the rules have been changed, they still cannot use lethal techniques such as throat strikes in a match.
In chi sau, since you cannot hit for real, the larger guy can always “push” until he wins, for example, charge the smaller guy into a wall. Yet in a real fight, the smaller guy could drop him if he tried that for real
Chi sau is so different than actual fighting…in chi sau, many people suck in technique and form and maybe even sensitivity but can hold their own in real fighting. And vice versa, there are people who have the perfect form and touch in chi sau but couldn’t beat a newborn in a fight…
empty cup
what are you thinkin’.Footwork and sensitivity off the top of my head!What else to beat the big pushy guy’s! Sunkuen
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=“-1”>quote:</font><HR> ..In chi sau, since you cannot hit for real, the larger guy can always “push” until he wins… [/quote]
I tend to disagree with this statement, as i have seen some really big guys come to my school and pushed around by the much smaller guys i train with. Actually, pushing is a weakness for them if you know what you are doing.
S.Teebas
Yeah I know…when you push your usually leaning right?
So there for that makes you not in your stance,then the smaller guy moves and pulls…then you fall down…
Who cares about size in chi sau…it is not much…
IXIJoe KaveyIXI
I am Sharky’s main man…
Big not always better
Hello,
Hmmm as to bigger guys being able to push the smallers guys till they win. Chi Sau is about sensitivity and energy. You learn to redirect an opponents energy and this does not mean just from the front. There is plenty of side to side and back and forth energy to play with. If the opponent pushes too far forward you simply dissolve and draw him in and sometimes to the side. It is kind of hard to explain in this medium but if you understand the nuances of Chi Sau a bigger opponent trying to outmuscle you really is not that much of a problem, provided you relax and rely on better positioning. The key is to relax and not rely on your own strength to fight back. You must be relaxed and have faith in your own body position and sensitivty.
I know this works. Not only because I have used it but because my Sifu, Chung Kwok Chow is able to deal with people much larger than he. I think I outweigh him by at least thirty to forty pounds, I am stronger and yet he tosses me around like a rag.
There are several other factors to be brought into good Chi Sau, IMHO, good footwork is a must. You should be able to side step and turn as well as step off the line and redirect from another angle, sometimes 45’ sometimes much more subtle. Another key to dealing with a bigger and stronger opponent is to use a lower center of gravity. If you can take a slightly lower stance than the opponent thne you will find it is far easier to deal with him/her even if they are bigger and stronger.
It is much harder to get the point across in this medium than in person. I hope that some of what I wrote makes sense.
Peace,
Dave
I have yet to see a person who can utilize the “theories” of wing chun’s deflection of force when attacked by a hard, strong, powerful and sudden “kiu mein kuen” or “punch ontop of the bridge”…
what I mean is, in chi sau, speed and technique can be used to block lap das to the neck and such but the two main attacks can be unblockable. If you REALLY wanted to hit your opponent in chi sau, no force on earth could stop you from doing so…you could hit any sifu or fellow student. Either a punch ontop of the bridge or a palm under the bridge…just suddenly attack with all your strength and put your entire body into it…waist turning and all…
I’ll bet my life that nobody would be able to block it. When attacks are thrown from a distance, fine, but attacks from contact…no way Jose!!! No matter how good your technique is, you’re only human…
same thing goes for the sucker punch…if somebody is talking to you and suddenly punches you without any prior warning, you’re going to get hit. If you’re bruce lee you’re going to get hit. Unless you’re prepared for it, human instinct is to flinch and you get socked…if any of you disagree then you’re suffering from the dreaded condition many martial artists suffer from called “denial”
please no flaming…I’m entitled to state my beliefs right? 
Question for Empty Cup
What is Chi Sau for?
I know I know!
IXIJoe KaveyIXI
I am Sharky’s main man…
chi sau is a training tool…it is a system created to train certain principles in wing chun. It doesn’t mean that it is fool-proof. If you wer doing chi sau and your partner suddenly decided to kick you in the balls, you’re going to get nailed. I don’t care how good your technique is…unless you’re anticipating it, the distance is just too close and you’re going to get kicked.
That doesn’t mean that you can’t block kicks…it just means that while doing chi sau, it is not possible unless you’re expecting it…
I’m very good at chi sau. I have very relaxed and loose hands but that doesn’t mean I leave myself open. I have perfect posture and form and I can block almost any combination of attacks. I am very fast and non-telegraphic. I am not a beginner who doesn’t understand the way it works. The reason I’m saying what I’m saying is that it is BECAUSE of my experience that I see the problems with people who assume unrealistic myths about chi sau and wing chun in general…
If you made up your mind to hit your opponent in chi sau, you could. That’s that. It doesn’t matter how good he is. I can block all sorts of fancy attacks and paks, laps, gums, and everything in between…but I know that if a big dude threw all his effort into hitting me with a simple “kiu mein kuen” or “kiu dui geung” I’d get nailed. I could hit him while he’s doing it, but I’d get nailed the same…
You wrote alot and didnt even answer the question…
IXIJoe KaveyIXI
I am Sharky’s main man…