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Jow Ga is also referred to as Chow Ga, Zhou jia, and Chau Ka depending on the dialect or translation. Jow Ga has also been referred to as Hung Tao Choy Mei, which translates to “head of Hung and tail of Choy.” It was labeled Hung Tao Choy Mei because the system incorporates two of the best southern styles of Kung Fu known as Hung Ga and Choy Ga. It also combines Northern Siu Lum.
[QUOTE=Green Cloud;700162]I definately see the choy li fut influence:D
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Pffft… why do the CLF folks love jumping on the band wagon so much?..
There is no CLF “influence” in Chow Gar/Jow Ga. Chow Gar’s influence is from Hung Ga, Choy Ga and a sprinkling of Bak Siu Lum.
It is a common myth that Chow Gar is derived from Hung and CLF. But this CLF connection is incorrect.
[QUOTE=Fu-Pau;700419]Pffft… why do the CLF folks love jumping on the band wagon so much?..
There is no CLF “influence” in Chow Gar/Jow Ga. Chow Gar’s influence is from Hung Ga, Choy Ga and a sprinkling of Bak Siu Lum.
It is a common myth that Chow Gar is derived from Hung and CLF. But this CLF connection is incorrect.[/QUOTE]
Fu pau??? don’t know what your talking about but I am very good friends with several Jow Ga sifus and based on my discussions with them they them selves admit to the hung and CLF influences.
Hung Ga Choy ga and Bak sing are all part of the CLF system.
PFFFFFT… you know do the math Choy ga + li ga + fut ga all = choy li fut stupid.
Don’t tell me PFFT. That’s just arogant, what exposure have you had when it comes to Jow Ga hell I’ve seen Jow Ga perfomed at Tourneys so many times I know the forms my self.
[QUOTE=Green Cloud;700673]Fu pau??? don’t know what your talking about but I am very good friends with several Jow Ga sifus and based on my discussions with them they them selves admit to the hung and CLF influences.
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That’s nice
Hung Ga Choy ga and Bak sing are all part of the CLF system
Really? You do realise that “bak sing” (branch of CLF) and “bak siu lum” (Northern Shaolin style) are not the same thing?
PFFFFFT… you know do the math Choy ga + li ga + fut ga all = choy li fut stupid.
Isn’t the “Choy” in CLF a reference to a person (coincidentally named Choy), not the style Choy Ga? (I could be wrong?)
what exposure have you had when it comes to Jow Ga
Oh, just a bit…
hell I’ve seen Jow Ga perfomed at Tourneys so many times I know the forms my self.
Ok then… I guess the rest of us better just sit down and listen to you?
Of course Jow Gar and Choy Li Fut look somewhat similar, both systems are synthesised from 3 styles, and in both systems 2 of the styles are the same! The fusion of Hung Gar/Nan Sil Lum/Fut Gar or whatever you want to call it with northern Shaolin is the distinctive factor in both styles. The differences stem from the third system, Li Gar for Choy Li Fut and Choy Gar for Jow Gar, and the nature of the northern Shaolin. As is the way with kung fu history it never clearly specifies what these northern Shaolin systems were (people were obviously less concerned about lineage back then ), but from the styles today you would infer that for Jow Gar it was an orthodox longfist system, while for Choy Li Fut you would guess a more esoteric longarm system along the lines of Fanzi, Tongbei or Pigua. However, the blend is also different, as Chan Heung spent 8 years with Choy Fook studying northern styles, accounting for over a third of his training, whereas I believe the founder of Jow Gar only spent 3 or 4 years studying Bak Sil Lum.
Both are great systems, and we should celebrate their similarities and their differences
all technicalities aside of what styles exactly influenced what, perhaps what Sifu Kaparos was inferring to was the rumors or speculations that either Jow Biu or Jow Lung had learned some Choy Lay Fut in addition to Choy Ga and Hung Ga, and that at least had a visible influence in Jow Ga’s flow and set designs?
I’m sure Sifu Johnson has some knowledge or insight on that, one way or another.
On a tangent, I am curious what the Hung influence on Choy Lay Fut is or was?
I would say the hung influence to CLF was more of an indirect one. That being many CLF sifus had some hung backgrounds prior to learning CLF and thus some hung influence was seen. Also it could be said that what Chan Hueng’s uncle learned could have had some hung style in it as it is generally referred to as siu lum and not that specific.
I think some people have been taught that the Choy in CLF is from Choy Gar; however many were taught it is just from Choy Fook, who gave CLF its northern influence.
In any event just about all of the southern long arm styles share similarities and techniques be it hung gar, CLF, jow gar, lama/hop gar/baak hook, hung fut, etc…