JF Springer backed out!!!!!

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Actually, Kazushi does do judo. He started judo as his first martial art. And shooto is his style now. Shooto is judo and muay thai kickboxing. It says so in the style. It says "shooto is a mixture of judo, muaythai, and jiujitsu.
Kazushi is fighting judo. He uses throws (that is judo) He uses the “kimura” that is actually ude garami (that is judo) Kazushi used this to break Renzo’s arm to pieces. Just like Masahiko did to his cousin’s father all those years ago with the same move.
Ude garame is invincible. It destroyed all those Gracies.

Masahiko Kimura did ude garame to the founder of BJJ and shattered his arm. Helio Gracie almost died by the might of ude garame and judo. It was amazing.
Then Masahiko wrote “my judo” where he told how he became angry at Santana and had the demon in his mind scream “kill him!” Then Masahiko did something no other judoka had done before. He bloodied the dangerous santana! The same man who had also beaten Helio!
Masahiko beat them both with judo and the invincible ude garame.
As did the judoka Kazushi against all the other Gracies.

Simply amazing. Ude garame is invincible! No other style has ude garame.

Ryu

(God this is fun ****! :smiley: I can see why Ralek likes it so much)

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Ryu

Man, I gotta give you recognition. That was excellent :smiley:

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Must suck to be Ralek.

Everybody here hates him, calls him names, and he sits here and TAKES IT.

Maybe he has a reason for being everybody’s punching bag.

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Yeah, he’s a plant

I think KFO hired him to stri up more posts and increase traffic so they can get more advertising dollars.

He’s really a 44 year old writer or cartoonist with a Psyc degree.

It’s the only thing that makes sense.

Royal Dragon

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Ryu that’s pretty impressive haha. I just got finished wtching Sakuraba beat Royce a little over an hour ago. great stuff.

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And Royce won 3 out of the 6 rounds with Kasushi Sakuraba. And royce tapped out Sakuraba with a choke but the ref didn’t see the tap so the fight kept going. If it were a real fight Royce would have won.

And Royce went for 1 hour 30 minutes in the Sakuraba fight. In 1 hour and 30 mintues, Sakuraba was not able to submit Royce. This proves that Sakuraba cannot defeat Rickson. Becuase Rickson has defeated Royce in 30 seconds. Sakuraba can’t even beat Royce in 1 hour 30 minutes.

And Kimura did not beat Santana. The 40 minute time limit ran out and it was declared a draw. Kimura said that he had trouble breathing for weeks after the fight. Kimura got beat up. However Carlson Gracie was able to DEFEAT Santana 4 times!!! Carlson Gracie puts Kimura to shame.

And Helio is not the founder of BJJ. Carlos Gracie is the founder and Carlson is better then Helio. The Santana fights prove it.

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“And royce tapped out Sakuraba with a choke but the ref didn’t see the tap so the fight kept going.”

this is true, from what i saw

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This is a troll thread. You are feeding a troll!:rolleyes:

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What?!?! Sakuraba did not tap from any choke. Are you talking about when he was faking the tap in the corner? :rolleyes:

Royce did submit. What do you think throwing in the towel is. It’s submitting. @_@ His freaking leg was shattered, he could hardly stand, let alone fight. Royce won 3 out of 6 rounds? There were NO decisions, he didnt win anything. Sakuraba wasn’t even fighting the first couple of rounds, he was just mucking around. ven though he did come dam cloise to getting the Kimura AND the kneelock. That’s alot closer than ROyce got to anything. Unless you consider those little lovetaps, light knees, and kicks that he was doing real attacks. :rolleyes: Royce lost to his own rules and he knows it. Which is why he congratulated Sakuraba after the fight

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This is great! I sure hope there will be a fight! Let’s not try to discourage Ralek, ok? The fight must go on !

I think Ralek will whoop some a$$ !! GO RALEK !

But JF Springer, why no video? Come on now… without video, people will always debate what REALLY happened!

Could you at least take some pictures ?? Before and after??

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Ralek writes like that robot from the 60s show “Lost in Space”

sounded,“Danger Will Robinson,run”

BJJ can’t be beat by kung-fu.

He just might be some kind of weird KFO software.

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what is this “Carlson beat Santana and Kimura didn’t so Carlson isbetter than Kimura” crap? Do you know anything about fighting at all kid? Some fighters adapt to different techniques and situations better than other. It’s like, Just because fighter A beat fighter B an fighter C didn’t. It doesn’t mean that fighter A will necessarily bet fighter C. that’s absurd. Every fight is unique and unique situations happens during them all. A brief distraction, a bad call, a thought at the wrong moment, or one guy just adapts to certain strategies better than the other. That STILL doesn’t make him better than the guy who didn’t. The only way to know that is if fighter A dn fighter C actually fight each other.

That’s probably confusing as all hell, but i’m see you get the drift.
Hmm hw about this, just because I can beat Hwoarang with my Jin kazama, and you can’y beat hwoarang with your Kazuya Mishima. That DOESN"T mean that i can beat your Kazuya with my Jin. I just adapted to Hwoarangs method better than you did, but when we fight all that matters is if I can handle YOUR methods. Not some other fighter.

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Santana was a tough fighter. He had practiced BJJ for 12 years with Helio Gracie and got his black belt from Helio. He also did striking styles. Then Helio and Santana got into in argument and they became enemies. They fought for over 3 hours or something. Santana won by breaking Helio’s arm. Helio got beat by his own student although his student was younger and much heavier than him.

Then Santana got to fight Kimura. If you have a book called “My Judo” by Kimura you will want to read the part where he fights Santana. Kimura talks about how he gets knocked unconcious but then the next strike wakes him back up again. The time limit ran out and they were not able to submit each other. Kimura was getting pummeled with roundhouses and was hanging on to survive.

Then the Legendary Carlson Gracie steps in. Carlson Gracie son of Carlos the founder of BJJ. Carlson defeats Santana 4 times!!! Wow!!! Carlson did what Kimura only dreamed of doing. Kimura was put to shame by Carlson’s heroic victories over Santana.

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Kimura was a good fighter. The fact that he was able to survive for 40 mintues with Santan is amazing. Santanna rarely lost in Vale Tudo. In fact, his only losses were with Carlson.

The fact that Kimura is not as skilled as Carlson is nothing to be ashamed about. Not everyone can reach Carlson’s expert fighting abilities. Carlson wieghed less than Kimura, but was still able to do better against Santanna. Kimura was just a big ogre who used his wieght advantage to beat people. Kimura couldn’t hang with skilled people his own size.

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I thought i heard somewhere that the Gracies agreed that BJJ was really just kodokan judo?

Judo is superior

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And Royce won 3 out of the 6 rounds with Kasushi Sakuraba. And royce tapped out Sakuraba with a choke but the ref didn’t see the tap so the fight kept going. If it were a real fight Royce would have won.

OK, so the first three rounds actually went back and forth. You could have called them a draw, or they could gone either way. Sak almost had the kneebar in the first round, but the bell rang. you could say that if it were a real fight, Sak would have won. the last three rounds were ABSOLUTELY dominated by Sak, there is no question whatsoever.

As for the choke, yes Sak did tap, but the rules do state that it takes three taps to submit, and Sak only tapped twice. I don’t know if he was playing around, trying to trick Royce, acknowledging something Royce said to him (there was some speculation that the tap was a response to Royce apologizing for an accidental knee to the groin…I don’t know), or even if the ref even saw it. But, if it were a “real fight”, the choke didn’t work, because Sak got out of it. So whether he almost tapped or not, doesn’t matter, because in the end the choke didn’t work.

Now for the other half…Royce’s leg was far from shattered. I don’t know the extent of the injury, but people have been saying that it happened as early as round 2. I think it happened later, probably round 5 or 6, but at most it was probably a fracture in his foot or something along those lines. Please if someone knows the specifics, correct me if I’m wrong. I know it wasn’t “shattered”, though.

Kazushi Sakuraba is my new hero (after he beat Renzo), but I refuse to use his fight record as an example to how “ineffective” bjj is. That’s not how fighting skill works. That’s like the coat tail riding lineage mongers that don’t train as hard as they should, because their “lineage is pure”. I like Sak because he’s just plain messed up in the head. He makes up moves on the spot, so now to answer Ralek’s other demand…

“name one move that isn’t in BJJ”:
double mongolian chop from inside the guard, flying guard pass stomp, right cross, hook, low roundhouse, single leg takedown, high roundhouse…you know, the stuff that actually won the fight for Sak. :wink:

His so-called BJJ training didn’t work because Royce is much better than Sak, so he had to rely on Royce’s weakness. It’s called cross training. Maybe you should actually start training, so you can understand this concept fully.