Master William Chen school
I never heard that he taught boxing but I have not had the honor to study there yet cause I work the graveyard shift at my job and too much responsibilities after work for now. But are you kidding? William C. C. Chen is Tai Chi. My friends been following this man. He’s been fighting and teaching fighting since the 1950s and he fought all style fighters, he became professor’s prize student is also why he never went anywhere else. He is totally Tai Chi plain and simple. His students demonstrated some moves at push hands competitions and we thought they were good people and tough martial artist. Don’t fighters have to use different gloves for different fights? They do all kind of kicks and take downs. No matter what style of fighting, when you fight, you gotta punch. Don’t you?
Goldenfist
I did not mean Willian CC Chen people western box in a traditioanl way,but they seem to have adopted a lot of that into their Tai Chi.I have a video tape of Bob Klein Who I beleive is a student of William CC Chen and on the tape he does boxing tpye moves but calls it tai chi.It’s the worst tape I’ve seen on Tai Chi so far.
If I were to do Tai Chi Chuan in NY it would be with this guy. I have seen him in person and believe that he has a high level of skill:
http://www.nytaichi.com/contents.htm
videos and such
Yes, there are alot of people out there teaching tai chi allright and I hear what your saying. Thats why I’m waiting until I can get a job during regular hours so that I can study with the a real master everyone knows, don’t want to get stuck with someone who talk about fighting. Some people can study with a real master for a few months, then put out a ad somewhere or webpage and suddenly they are a teacher, they even write books and make videos and there are stories out there about people buying into stories then years later, the results are like the video you are talking about. My friends spent a ton of money going here and there so now I learn from their experience. Don’t rush into classes because someone is a good salesman, it’ll be a a very high price for you in the end cause you won’t learn martial arts. You’ll just learn alot of different forms and not know what fighting is. This Bob Klein done any fighting, never heard of him or his students really.
Goldenfist
Bob Klein has a school some where in Long Iland.He has put out videos on Tai Chi and some other stuff.My friend has one of his video.He’s a strange guy.on the video he playing with a big snake and doing thai chi.
Snakes???
Using snakes in his classes its not for me. What’s his point? Hope he has plenty of liability insurance. That’s a new one.
William Chen’s daughter and students
I just read that Master Chen’s daughter Tiffany and son, Max not only do Tai Chi, they teach Tai Chi. They just came back from giving a dynamite workshop in Chicago just last weekend. Tiffany is Competitor of the Year for all the years of push hands.
http://williamccchen.com/articles.htm
http://williamccchen.com/fyi.htm
Watch the video clips of their students at push hands competitions and san shou competitions. What’s great is that those are real action clips, not demos
http://williamccchen.com/video.htm
Just because something LOOKS like boxing to you, and they are wearing boxing gloves, doesn’t mean it’s western boxing.
Save all the typing and just go look for yourself. Also, I recomend paying my master’s school a visit …he also teaches taiji during the day. He’s at 161 Bowery on the top floor.
evolutionfist
Who is your master?
Goldenfist the video I saw was a few yrs ago I don’t remember the reason for the snake.anyway,he was not using any tai chi techn I could see.
How long have you been training there? Also, E-Chaun I hear it similar to Hsing-Yi. can you tell me a little baout the training there.Thx
I wrote a bunch of stuff but deleted it. Too much typing turns people away and they call B.S.
The best thing to do is stop by. He’s very willing to show and play. At 63, he will never pass you off to a student. He’ll play with you right there in front of everybody … this never ceases to amaze me. And is another reason why I have to get my a$$ in gear and pick up my training. I have to stop losing tournaments and looking sloppy and try to resemble this man’s stuff in some way.
I’m holding off of fighting for about a year, until I can represent E-chuan in some way. He’s been on my case about going out on my own since day one, and now I understand why. There is a difference to what he does. The over riding principle at his school is this: Don’t go out to fight … Go out to BEAT somebody.
Evolution fist
sounds great!! yes I will stop by your school.I love to meet your sifu and check out the class.What day is the best time to come if any?
Tues. and Fri. night, from 7:30 to 10:30. If you can, come a little early on Fri.
He aslo has day time taiji classes which have been pretty much ground fighting classes lately, how to deal with the shoot, locks, throws, etc.
(Don’t go out to fight … Go out to BEAT somebody.)
yep, no ego there.
It’s the best way to sum up the attitude. My master admits, it doesn’t “work” well in English, but it remains.
“Fighting” by its definition implies a struggle, trading blows, etc. This is like the guy who wins the fight with broken ribs and missing two front teath… who cares about the other guy? Even if he feels better after the fight, as long as you don’t hurt me. That’s a win.
This attitude may also come from my master’s love of weapons. You poking 2 holes in me and I poking 5 holes in you … is that a win?
No, you may call it ego, but it is what I, as a student, am striving for. At 30 years old do you think I can match the 20 year old San Da fighter by training and fighting the same way? By trading blows with him?
I’m taking a different aproach and it starts with a different mindset. I am older, weaker and slower than the other guy … But I will fight him. By Sept.'s Sand Da Super fights I’m hoping to bring a skill set to beat him.
That’s all it is in a nutshell. I already know how to fight. Now I want to be able to aproach the well-trained big guy with the same calmness and confidence I do to training partners that don’t fight. The way I can take a hobbyist martial artist and throw him from wall to wall, that’s not fighting. That’s playing. And if I wanted to get serious it would be a beating… I want that against the good guy.
Not saying it is easy or achievable with the time I can put it, but that is the goal and the aim. As the person who does enter the ring to fight, I prefer this mindset over the, well, good luck, keep your hands up, one.