[QUOTE=Faruq;1024046]You saw that the students flew without having their bodies touched at all right? They were flying from him pushing just their hands.[/QUOTE]
yes, they are cooperating in the demo.
the real value is watching the teacher how to maintain balance all the time
or how to maintain peng jin all the time from hand moves and posturing (waist/knee)
some good lessons there
Okay, then I was distracted by the students flying from him pushing their hands and the one guy who flies all the way behind him after he pushes his hands to the side. Also his attitude when I visited the school as well, obviously.
still with this crap eh?
will it never end? :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=Faruq;1024046]You saw that the students flew without having their bodies touched at all right? They were flying from him pushing just their hands.[/QUOTE]
If you watch closely, they were throwing themselves. Let’s see the same thing done not using a student who is playing along. Better yet, how about someone who is not a student and attacking him?
[QUOTE=Drake;1024065]If you watch closely, they were throwing themselves. Let’s see the same thing done not using a student who is playing along. Better yet, how about someone who is not a student and attacking him?[/QUOTE]
I think we can all agree that these types of demos are utter bollocks and designed to dupe people into purchasing lessons.
what is “incredible” about this is the fact that no one just walks up and smacks the guy in the face and says “do you think we are idiots”?
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1024066]I think we can all agree that these types of demos are utter bollocks and designed to dupe people into purchasing lessons.[/QUOTE]
Apparently it worked for one person on this forum.
cts rip 
[QUOTE=taai gihk yahn;1024085]cts rip :([/QUOTE]
yeah, well, you know, CTS got up and walked out on the fake push hands crap at the “master’s demo” and he told US that it was bullshit
but did he stand up and say it out loud during the fake demo? Or bring it up at the meeting that followed?
NO
All the Chinese sifu are responsible for this crap because they simply won’t speak up and say “cut it out, that is ridiculous”
The same way you go to tournaments today and there are fake masters, fake monks, and more BS demos
but isnt that what you did? you walked away from kung fu
[QUOTE=bawang;1024088]but isnt that what you did? you walked away from kung fu[/QUOTE]
But he doesn’t count because he’s a whitey.
In order for it to start cascading culturally it has to NOT come from a perceived outsider.
Think of it this way; A Scottish highland dance group does something incorrect for years. Meanwhile, a Chinese individual has learned the correct way.
The Chinese guy goes to correct the Scots.
The Scots pay no attention to the Chinese guy whether he’s right or not.
But put a dude up there in a kilt, with a brogue and the stink of talisker and haggis on him and he tells the troupe and they WILL consider it and possibly even change immediately.
Change comes from within and if there is any culture that deliberately puts up walls around itself , well, it’s the Chinese. And if that wasn’t true there wouldn’t be a “chinatown” in every major city in the world were the segregation is HO HO HO. lol (or a huge wall in northern China. 
I remember a while back an old guy putting up 5 grand to anyone that could defeat him. He shoved and tossed his students around with ease. But, he got his a$$ kicked and lost his life’s savings.
Pushing is a viable method of self defense but also requires developed skills like any other MA. However, chi cannot be projected from the body.
In the early 60’s I was going to work, walking down an ally, when I heard someone making very loud,cherping sounds. I looked over a fence to see an older man facing a bird cage and making this sound. He explained that he was trying to kill the finch with his chi. He had been doing this for 25 years and was not quite there. Seems he had witnessed a demonstration 25 years ago and knew it could be done.
[QUOTE=Lee Chiang Po;1024091] In the early 60’s I was going to work, walking down an ally, when I heard someone making very loud,cherping sounds. I looked over a fence to see an older man facing a bird cage and making this sound. He explained that he was trying to kill the finch with his chi. He had been doing this for 25 years and was not quite there. Seems he had witnessed a demonstration 25 years ago and knew it could be done.[/QUOTE]
you’d think that after 25 years, the finch would have died on its own…
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1024090]But he doesn’t count because he’s a whitey.
In order for it to start cascading culturally it has to NOT come from a perceived outsider.
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but most kung fu people these days in america are wite ppls mang.
I was part of a LOT of the political organizatons of the 80’s and 90’s. IN one, if you wren’t Chinese you weren’t really a member, they even held the meetings in Cantonese and never bothered to translate. Another organization had a few “tokens” (non chinese) but the top always came down to what two Chinese instructors wanted to do. I personally saw people try to get Jeff Bolt boxed in and personally heard them bad mouth him, JEFF BOLT! But then again I watched a clown car full of fake Chineese basicly ruin Jeff’s events as well, and Jeff never seemed to face that sad truth.
Why did a major organization have a complete fraud as a national team coach? Oh , yeah, because he was Chinese! And when they finally did have to dump him, after all the damage was done, who did they replace him with? Yeah, another Chinese guy.
If you have been there, you would know why so many people just walked away, it was eye brow high in poop, and it was all Chinese poop
[QUOTE=lkfmdc;1024086]yeah, well, you know, CTS got up and walked out on the fake push hands crap at the “master’s demo” and he told US that it was bullshit
but did he stand up and say it out loud during the fake demo? Or bring it up at the meeting that followed?
NO
All the Chinese sifu are responsible for this crap because they simply won’t speak up and say “cut it out, that is ridiculous”
The same way you go to tournaments today and there are fake masters, fake monks, and more BS demos[/QUOTE]
yeah, it’s true, you do have a point: meaning that while CTS called BS on peeps in private with us, he adhered to an even higher principle in public: thou shalt not break another’s rice bowl; and this is one of the reasons it perpetuates: no one wants to be the run to start the slippery slope rolling, so to speak, because if it went that way, at the end, everyone would loose their livlihood; and this is why MMA has a lot of TCMA folks spooked and scrambling to get back to “traditional values”, lol - because u can’t pull the “I’m a dedlyist” without actually demonstrating it (although there is still a large % of sheeple who want the qi-blast mumbo, as the other thread now in discussion demonstrates);
[QUOTE=taai gihk yahn;1024095]
no one wants to be the run to start the slippery slope rolling, so to speak, because if it went that way, at the end, everyone would loose their livlihood; and this is why MMA has a lot of TCMA folks spooked and scrambling to get back to “traditional values”,
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everyone should re-read this a few times
Then, of course, I will add the observation that no tradition has the amout of outright fraud and BS as TCMA, bar none!
[QUOTE=bawang;1024088]but isnt that what you did? you walked away from kung fu[/QUOTE]
believe it or not, Dave trains his students more like pre-1900 (or so) kung fu than not; meaning he doesn’t do forms, he doesn’t do BS apps, he emphasizes principles and physical conditioniing and live / pressure-testing against resisting opponents; of course, unlike pre-1900 u can’t really just go out and test ur skill by killing someone off, so the most efficient way to work as near to “d3 str33t” as possible is in an MMA / sanshou context;
and yet people think he’s not doing kung fu, including some other of of CTS’s so-called disciples, who teach forms, apps against non-resisting opponents, and have their students go compete at BS point-style sparring tournaments and think it demonstrates real skill (and yet they r the ones thumping their chests about how they are carrying on their teacher’s lineage / tradition faithfuly - ha)
i think its easy to critisize but hard to make real changes. if everybody just leave then kung fu will stay the same. maybe u used to go in a door and become chinese for 2 or 3 hours, but for me its for life, mang. corruption in kung fu for me makes me feel burning rage and i refse to give up.
jurak mang, i dont mean hes not teaching kung fu, i mean hes left the kung fu comunity. that means whatever reform he does wont effect kung fu and is wasted mang. he says he teach sanda, then to everyone it will be sanda.
the people reforming and changing need to thump their chest also, actively promoting. in kung fu if you have fihting skills then you have a golden ticket to shamelessly promote.