Hey guys.
Would like to discuss some ideas and/or exercises to build and develop strength?
For specific body parts and whole body work outs…
Opinions, advice, techniques and etc
Thanks
Deadlift. Squat. Pullups. Overhead/bench press 
Hi Iron.
What Ironfist said. Powerlifts, Olympic lifts. They will serve you very well.
There is a sticky thread with tons of links…
I am not a big fan of olympic lifts for beginners, heck I have even seen “adavnced” ST peple screw them up.
You really need a goof coach for them.
The core powerlifts:
Deadlifts
Squats
bench press
Overhead presses
Are all you need, though if you don’t like the bench press or don’t have a bench press rack, Weighted Dips work even better than the BP, in my humble opinion.
Just remember that if you are working for strength you need to keep the reps low ( no more than 5 and the 5 x 5 protocol is quite excellent), the weight high ( at LEAST 85% of your max) and the amount of time low.
IF you are doing MA too, remember that your MA workouts will cut into your recovery time and that you must tkae that into account.
Typically try to out in a rest day between your ST and MA.
EX:
MA on Monday
ST tuesday
Wed rest
MA thursday
ST friday.
Yeah, Olympic lifts not easy vs. powerlifts.
Weighted dips would be tough on my shoulders I reckon.
If you wanna talk training protocols, I’m still doing Pavel’s PTP. 10 out of 14 day cycles (2 x 5/7). Used to be pretty popular on this forum ~5 yrs ago. Works well for me. I’m less strict now though. I miss days, mainly because I’ve been surfing a lot in the mornings instead.
[QUOTE=Toby;886683]Yeah, Olympic lifts not easy vs. powerlifts.
Weighted dips would be tough on my shoulders I reckon.
If you wanna talk training protocols, I’m still doing Pavel’s PTP. 10 out of 14 day cycles (2 x 5/7). Used to be pretty popular on this forum ~5 yrs ago. Works well for me. I’m less strict now though. I miss days, mainly because I’ve been surfing a lot in the mornings instead.[/QUOTE]
The ROM that you can do is what wil make things “tough” on your shoulders, some people tend to go to low with dips, besides, you only add the weight you can handle for X number of reps.
One thing though, the qty of reps that one does actaully effects the joints ( knees and shoulder typically) far more than the amount of weight.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;886678]…
You really need a goof coach for them…
[/QUOTE]Really? I had a goofy coach last time… I’d like a good one this time.
What’s PTP? And what are those numbers in parentheses after your cycles?!
BTW, can anyone recommend any good youtube vids for good oly form? There’s so much variation out there, there must be something good. I want a wee challenge for my week ‘off’ before the next part of my programme!!
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;886685]One thing though, the qty of reps that one does actaully effects the joints ( knees and shoulder typically) far more than the amount of weight.[/QUOTE]I’m assuming ‘qty’ means ‘quantity’ rather than ‘quality’? Either case would be true!
[QUOTE=Mr Punch;886686]What’s PTP? And what are those numbers in parentheses after your cycles?![/QUOTE]An abbreviation for Pavel Tsatsouline’s “Power to the People” routine. I’ve described it on here before (somewhere in the archives). I’m sure it’s described on dragonsdoor. IMHO it works very well with a MA program (mainly because it produces minimal-to-no DOMS). The numbers meant I only lift on weekdays, but two weeks is a complete cycle so I said 10 days out of 14 is a cycle then put in brackets 2 x 5 days out of 7.
[QUOTE=Toby;886688]An abbreviation for Pavel Tsatsouline’s “Power to the People” routine. I’ve described it on here before (somewhere in the archives). I’m sure it’s described on dragonsdoor. IMHO it works very well with a MA program (mainly because it produces minimal-to-no DOMS). The numbers meant I only lift on weekdays, but two weeks is a complete cycle so I said 10 days out of 14 is a cycle then put in brackets 2 x 5 days out of 7.[/QUOTE]Aha. Thanks.
I might try Pavel when I’ve finished my programme. I’ve only gone a month into a 12 month programme though so it’ll be one for the back burner. I’ve just started Alwyn Cosgrove’s programme for false beginners from ‘New Rules for Lifting’. It’s marv.
[QUOTE=Mr Punch;886687]I’m assuming ‘qty’ means ‘quantity’ rather than ‘quality’? Either case would be true![/QUOTE]
Quantity of reps, correct, thing repetitive motion trauma.
ST is very simple actually, progressive resistence training is just that, progressive.
People tend to forget the progressive part and wonder why they are not getting stronger.
Doing lots of reps isn’t getting stronger.
Lifting more weight is getting stronger.
Remember lifting 150 lbs 10x is not the same as lifting 300 lbs 5 times.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;886698]Quantity of reps, correct, thing (sic) repetitive motion trauma.[/QUOTE]My shoulders agree :(. Osteolysis from military press and incline bench years ago when I thought excessive volume and hardcore DOMS were the way to build strength.
[QUOTE=Toby;886701]My shoulders agree :(. Osteolysis from military press and incline bench years ago when I thought excessive volume and hardcore DOMS were the way to build strength.[/QUOTE]
I hear, and don’t forget, MA is all about repetitive motion, our joints get enough repetition work in the MA, more than enough really.
No need to agrevate it more with excessive amount of rep work in ST.
Another thing to do is to do ST moves that are “practical” for real world action.
Deadlifts for example - every time you life something from the ground you are dead lifting.
Curls are one of the few “isolation moves” I advocate simple because we do so much of it on a regular basis.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;886704]Curls are one of the few “isolation moves” I advocate simple because we do so much of it on a regular basis.[/QUOTE]Prefer weighted pullups, they’re one of my regular cycle lifts.
[QUOTE=Toby;886706]Prefer weighted pullups, they’re one of my regular cycle lifts.[/QUOTE]
Oh, I agree with the pull ups and chins, but doing curls can give some people great results, please they do hit the bicep in a rotary motion, which you don’t get with pull ups unless you are doing them on rings or with the “perfect pullup”
I live on a ranch.
Hoisting those big hay bales is great exercise. The ones I’m moving around weigh around 100 lbs.
Lately, I’ve been helping a lot of people move furniture around. That’s great exercise too.
[QUOTE=Kevin Huang;887273]I live on a ranch. [/QUOTE]
Of course. You are the fertilizer.
full compound lifts as suggested.
low reps, high weight, always feel the last few.
everyday for 1 hour, take a break once a week.
throw in small isolation stuff here and there for the joints mostly.
pull ups and push ups are friends as well.
also, hard work is good if you do that. landscaping for instance or bricklaying, good stuff.
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;887532]full compound lifts as suggested.
low reps, high weight, always feel the last few.
everyday for 1 hour, take a break once a week.
throw in small isolation stuff here and there for the joints mostly.
pull ups and push ups are friends as well.
also, hard work is good if you do that. landscaping for instance or bricklaying, good stuff.[/QUOTE]
You can’t do heavy weights everyday, it taxes not only the muscles but the CNS.
Weightlifting-however make sure to work both the fast and slow twitch muscle fibers. Fast are with higher reps and sometimes with no weights at all (ie push ups etc.) Slow twitch are with heavier weights.
Isometric exercises-doing these also in a swimming pool can be great as well as in the air.