It’s about Frank being one of these people who thinks that secret histories are a substitute for solid training. He thinks that if he can somehow prove that the Jeong Yim branch is special, then by extension he is special. On the larger scale it is political, the Jeong Yim line(s) push that Jeong Yim taught stuff to Chan Heung because the implication is that Jeong Yim was better than Chan Heung, and by extension 170 years down the line somehow they are better than people from the other lines :rolleyes:
Anyone who knows anything about the realities of training and fighting know’s that it’s a joke. The idea that Ching Cho had some “secret techniques” which allowed Jeong Yim to “rescue” an experienced martial artist of substantially greater experience is the kind of LARPist fantasy that is all too prevalent in martial arts and comes straight out of a Wuxia novel.
However, the insinuation and implied insult are not a joke, which is why people get annoyed.
It’s about Frank being one of these people who thinks that secret histories are a substitute for solid training.
Liar.
He thinks that if he can somehow prove that the Jeong Yim branch is special, then by extension he is special.
again…Liar.
On the larger scale it is political, the Jeong Yim line(s) push that Jeong Yim taught stuff to Chan Heung because the implication is that Jeong Yim was better than Chan Heung, and by extension 170 years down the line somehow they are better than people from the other lines
where you hear anyone from the Jeung Yim lineage was better than anyone? again…LIAR…you’re looking bitter right now. If anything its…ah nevermind.
Anyone who knows anything about the realities of training and fighting know’s that it’s a joke.
what does fighting have to do with history? unless you are using a book to smash someone over the head with it?
The idea that Ching Cho had some “secret techniques” which allowed Jeong Yim to “rescue” an experienced martial artist of substantially greater experience is the kind of LARPist fantasy that is all too prevalent in martial arts and comes straight out of a Wuxia novel.
That’s just DOC FAI WONG talking…we have NEVER NEVER NEVER said anything abou secret techniques…we never said Jeung Hung Sing EVER saved Chan Heung from anything…not even from sex with an ugly hairy woman…
Ben, can you please post up anything historical wise from the Fut San Hung Sing kwoon that mimics what you’ve just stated? if not, you’re looking like a big bitter liar.
because the implication is that Jeong Yim was better than Chan Heung
who said that exactly? what were their exact words? if you can’t tell us, you’re nothing but a bitter lying fool.
The first half is how it comes across, the second half is stuf YOU have said on this forum you dolt :rolleyes:
so you really have nothing to offer? 
other than insults
and who was the first person to start calling names Frank? Oh, that’s right, it was you. AGAIN!
I really can’t help it if your ADHD is so extreme that you can’t remember what you said yesterday never mind last year.
i called you a fool you called me a dolt. we’re even.
The idea that Ching Cho had some “secret techniques” which allowed Jeong Yim to “rescue” an experienced martial artist of substantially greater experience is the kind of LARPist fantasy that is all too prevalent in martial arts and comes straight out of a Wuxia novel.
i’d really appreciate you posting any Fut San Hung Sing Kwoon historical information that mimics exactly what you just said. Or where we ever said that Jeung Hung Sing saved Chan Heung…i’d really be interested in seeing that…i’d really get in the arse of any Hung Sing disciple if i heard them spreading that nonsense.
IF you can’t then where’d you get this idea from? it’s not right, you’re putting words in our mouths. we’ve never claimed the sh1t you are saying we did.
[QUOTE=hskwarrior;954837]is in reference to Hung Wu…dont act like i don’t know.
See how you’re lying? mean HUNG VICTORY not Victory to the Ming.
Now matter how you try to twist it, you cannot win here.[/QUOTE]
Now I have to give you a lesson on Chinese culture, Frank.
The founder of the Ming Dynasty was Zhu Yuanzhang and his reign was Hong Wu , so do not mean HUNG VICTORY, but Victory to the reign of Hong Wu, that is to the Ming.
is NOT a reference to Hung Wu , it is a reference to a well known southern temple deity, get your Chinese friend to translate the following for you and you might have a better idea about the name for Chan Heung’s King Mui Ancestral School.
so do not mean HUNG VICTORY, but Victory to the reign of Hong Wu, that is to the Ming.
you poor man. 
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nah, because they haven’t approached it with the knowledge of the name given to Jeung Hung Sing. EVERYONE approached it from the NEW name. No one thought about the name given to him by Ching Cho.
But, I do have others using that name though, especially one speaking about Chui Cheung.
now, even your chan family folks say Jeung Hung Sing had to change his name to something less recognizable to the Hung Mun. Your Chan family records also say that Chan Koon Pak had to change the Hung Sing name HE was using cause Jeung Hung Sing’s people were constantly in the media for their involvement with the Hung Mun.
So Jeung Hung Sing had to change his name…hmmmmmm i wonder from what to ???
Now, did you know that has Hung Mun written all over it and actually can be traced back to a secret word connected to CHING CHO’s Hung Mun lodge?
Your source said it is the same sound but not the same word so it proved no one used the characters at the time, because it would be suicidal.
Your source said it is the same sound but not the same word so it proved no one used the characters at the time, because it would be suicidal.
when my book comes out, i will show the connection between and the slogan of the Hung Mun. don’t worry. i’m not.
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why does it say this EJ? does fut san know something that you are not telling the public?
Oh, guess what, Alan Lee’s article (of Li Iu Ling’s lineage) concurs.
I think the Chan family knows when their ancestor Chan Heung was born better than Futsan or Alan Lee. They even kept the hour he was born.
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I have some questions…
The existence of the Green Grass Monk could not be authenticated. However, one of the Five Ancestors of Shaolin, Fong Dai Hung, who organized the anti-Ching movement in Guangdong and Guangxi provinces, used the Buddhist name Fat Mo.
EJ, are you alan lee?
if there was indeed a Green Grass Monk, then it is likely that they were the same person. However, I do not subscribe to the hypothesis that Cheung Hoong Sing learnt more kung fu from the Green Grass Monk. Fong Dai Hung, was focusing his energies and time on organizing and spreading the anti-Ching movement not teaching kung fu on a personal level
Admits he could be legitimate, but won’t let him be Jeung Hung Sing’s teacher.
My interpretation was that Chan Heung Gung, a Red Pole, was liasing with his kung fu uncle Fong Dai Hung, and it was natural to send his lieutenants, including Cheung Yim, to deliver messages and obtain instructions from time to time.
If you knew what the duties of the Hung Kwun were, you might say they contradict Chan Heung’s strong buddhist beliefs.
The Monk Choy Fook was a survivor of the massacre and he was a contemporary of Fong Dai Hung a.k.a. the Green Grass Monk.
is that Jeung Hung Sing’s teacher? 
One of Chan Heung Gung’s disciples, Cheung Ah Yim, an ardent revolutionary, had ambitions to succeed as head of the CLF clan. Chan Koon Bak was still in his youth at that time. After the passing of Chan Heung, Cheung Yim realizing that the leadership of CLF was not promised to him, decided to leave for Foshan (Futshan) to re-start the CLF school there that was originally established by two of Chan Heung’s earlier disciples.
Ambitions of succeeding as the HEAD OF THE CLF CLAN? really? how come i’ve never heard of this? i won’t even comment about the rest.
Cheung Yim took on the alias Cheung Hoong Sing. The words “hoong’ in this instance means a species of wild geese which to the Chinese is a symbol of lofty achievements.
now what does the wild goose represent to the Chinese people “lofty achievements” or even “Longevity”…
His alias meant Cheung of the High Soaring Wild Geese Victory.
now dasss funny