[QUOTE=Dragonzbane76;1162245]I love fantasy land its such a nice place to visit this time of year.[/QUOTE]
always amazes me that the few (and i mean few) hung gar fighting clips out there tend to show the long arm stuff for the most part and not the close range power techniques old frame hung gar is know for and the close range power iron wire is meant to build… (puts cat amongst the pigeons and runs off)
Hung Fist can be used in pretty much all ranges but one.
It has no wrestling to speak of.
Not that it’s a big stretch to learn a few tools in that as well anyway.
You can fight long or clinch with it. It depends on where you are comfortable.
If you adapt it for sport, it will be the same as all the rest really with a couple of small differences that people probably wouldn’t notice much without actually understanding what they are looking at.
For instance, we hear quite often “It just looks like kickboxing”, but does it really?
Observe stepping and you see training marks, observe entrance strategy and you see other hallmarks.
I think that people who say a style “looks like kickboxing” is missing understanding on the dynamics of a real fight and also the expression of the training when employed in that fashion.
For instance, a well trained Hung kuen practitioner will not lift his heel off the ground in kicking or driving forward striking, but will do so when using twisting or spiraling gings.
I think most people aren’t aware of what they are looking at in a refined sense when this observation gets sung to loudly.
Lifting is good for raw core strength develop. raw strength and refined strength or functional strength are two different things/ Someone can be very strong in lifting and just crap at structure for delivering a solid punch. This happens and is the same fantasy of having power as the guy doing only sets thinks he has.
It’s all gotta work together in making the big chalupa.
I was not directing the comment about the form. I know the form myself and enjoy the tension and breathing as part of the form. My comment is directed at the spin " some people" put on very logic things to make it come off in a mystic manner. Hence the post above my earlier one.
[QUOTE=Frost;1162255]always amazes me that the few (and i mean few) hung gar fighting clips out there tend to show the long arm stuff for the most part and not the close range power techniques old frame hung gar is know for and the close range power iron wire is meant to build… (puts cat amongst the pigeons and runs off)[/QUOTE]
Well, one can argue that the long arm stuff is easier to pull off and spot, so…
[QUOTE=Dragonzbane76;1162260]I was not directing the comment about the form. I know the form myself and enjoy the tension and breathing as part of the form. My comment is directed at the spin " some people" put on very logic things to make it come off in a mystic manner. Hence the post above my earlier one.[/QUOTE]
Again, cultural trappings.
Simply that.
Some forget that the power that HK is know for in some circles comes from the gungs and specialized equipment training which is then “finished and polished” by the IW.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1162263]Well, one can argue that the long arm stuff is easier to pull off and spot, so…[/QUOTE]
One could also argue the long arm stuff is more practical and useful, thats why its easier to use and was adopted into the style… 
Only joking just wish there was more HG out there for us to see and judge, always liked doing it myself
[QUOTE=Frost;1162265]One could also argue the long arm stuff is more practical and useful, thats why its easier to use and was adopted into the style…
Only joking just wish there was more HG out there for us to see and judge, always liked doing it myself[/QUOTE]
What attracted me to HK fro the very beginning was that I could always feel the power in what I was doing, it was simple, basic and effective AND with the potential to be so much more ( That and the movie Executioners from Shaolin).
I’ve been exposed to 3 different types of HK and their core is basically the same.
I’ve seen people of all body types excel at HK too.
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1162258]Hung Fist can be used in pretty much all ranges but one.
It has no wrestling to speak of.
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Are you talking ground grappling? Because it most definitely has take downs.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1162264]
Some forget that the power that HK is know for in some circles comes from the gungs and specialized equipment training which is then “finished and polished” by the IW.[/QUOTE]
exactly, EXACTLY!
Hung Gar without Iron wire set
[QUOTE=Dragonzbane76;1162260]I was not directing the comment about the form. I know the form myself and enjoy the tension and breathing as part of the form. My comment is directed at the spin " some people" put on very logic things to make it come off in a mystic manner. Hence the post above my earlier one.[/QUOTE]
Dragonzbane , are you talking about my thread ? You mentioned the thread above you ’ re earlier one .
[QUOTE=hajimesaito;1162001] So why is Iron Wire set considered so important for Hung Gar nowadays? So much so that it is considered an advanced set which characterizes Hung Gar.
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In the book by Leung Tat said it all - The essence of Southern Shaolin internal work is found in Hung Gar. And the internal work of Hung Gar is fully expressed in the Iron Wire set. Internal training can make a person strong. So incorporating it into a fighting system will make the student a better fighter.
Regards,
KC
Hong Kong
it’s not fantasy or mysticism. TSK develops strength throughout the range of motion for each type of movement, which is then utilized within the twelve bridges. It connects the bridge to the body to the legs, and in doing so the student is made aware of these connections and alignments. Iron shirt is part and parcel and the internal organs and fascia are strengthened as well as part of this process.
[QUOTE=TenTigers;1162408]it’s not fantasy or mysticism. TSK develops strength throughout the range of motion for each type of movement, which is then utilized within the twelve bridges. It connects the bridge to the body to the legs, and in doing so the student is made aware of these connections and alignments. Iron shirt is part and parcel and the internal organs and fascia are strengthened as well as part of this process.[/QUOTE]
Agreed, the problem is when some use “archaic” and “poetic language” to describe things we can describe in “correct” terms that we use nowadays.
The old timers are excused from this because, well, they don’t know any better.
Our and the current generations don’t have that excuse.
A friend once asked why the TSK looks the way it does, that the moves don’t seem practical so why strengthen them "along those lines’ and I gave him your answer:
The TSK is a Hung Ga Set for Hung Ga practioner for Hung Ga moves ( 12 bridges and “killing hands”).
[QUOTE=Pork Chop;1162270]Are you talking ground grappling? Because it most definitely has take downs.[/QUOTE]
Yes, there are take downs. There is no wrestling in the style. No ground grappling although there are attacks that can be used against someone who is lying prone.